Thanks for your comment Ny19, you and I had the same reaction in the middle of the night, but as you say, the symptoms are short lived.  And yes I agree that the government has stuffed it up, total incompetence IMO.

Ny19 - how long is it between the two vaccinations?

Read today a woman had her AZ and then went to the UK (holiday I guess), and then dies 5 weeks after the first jab. Is there a shorter time between the two, the last I heard it was 3 months. Not following the details much anymore, really fed up to the ears with all the BS. Too many friggin idiots out there who seem to be hell bent in sharing the darn virus. Me if I was the PM, you fail to stay home - $10,000 fine. Second time caught or a deliberate move to interstate or to another area, bingo - confiscation of your house, car etc and for all I care you can live in skip bin. Until this Government gets its act together and slams the idiots who seem to think its their god given right to party or go to sports and share this virus, we will not get rid of it.

How to get rid of it altogether. Every person stays at home, and if John Citizen and family have the virus, the professional medical staff go into the home and treat them. No one goes interstate or to another area within the state - if so criminal charges and a record of the crime to be with you for life. No international flights in or out, no domestic flights in or out, no sports, no parties, no going out to eat. Food will be delivered via using the web to order. Packages placed outside to be collected after the person who dropped off the package has left. Over a month of doing this strict control (if the mongrels obey to the letter), there will only be some people who will die from the virus, but it is possible to be nipped in the bud.

Once back on track again, ALL international and anyone outside of Australia - Tassie, KI, and any other habitable islands near Australia land mass, ALL go into Quarantine for a month. Got it you stay put and when you are given the all clear, it will be another month before you are safely released into the population. Yeah I will be a hard PM because I am fed up with hearing about innocent people who have done the right thing, being caught up with the virus because of some little shit wanting to go everywhere and have some fun.

Toot, when did you get yours? It's a good feeling isn't it, knowing you will be pretty safe after the 2nd dose and even a bit protected (30%) after the 1st dose. 

Beemee. This virus will be with us forever. The best we can hope for is that it will become less deadly over time but if it remains dangerous, especially for older people, we can't keep locking people up forever. I agree with you that for the moment lockdowns are important but really, our best way forward to enable us to live with it is to get our vaccinations.

My neighbour in her mid seventies is going in this afternoon to have an Astrazeneca jab

I've been put on standby to feed the animals in case she is unwell after the jab.

Germany has since recommended Pfizer as second dose for those who received AstraZeneca ... best of both worlds. Don't be surprised if ATAGI changes recommendation when Pfizer availability improves.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-02/germany-recommends-switch-astrazeneca-pfizer-moderna-mrna/100262212

Yep nail on the head PlanB.

Do you know what pisses me off even more? A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, there were strong people who had a brain and they voted against the Australia Card.

Well guess what, the Government has sneakily got that in and no one is the wiser.

Have to sign a waiver to get the Vax? What for? Oh that's right to protect the idiot who invented this crap that doesn't work. Screw you mate, you don't matter as you are only our test bunnies.

Want the new testing device? https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-07-02/covid-19-rapid-antigen-tests-in-australia/100260082

Look at it more carefully the person's finger covers the fingerprint they are about to take. This object is as reliable as the vaccines - useless as its not 100% effective.

So we vax the whole of Australia and what happens then? New strain, all carry the Covid and the vax is ineffective against it.

So how does this virus work? Bet the Chinese planned this one. Instead the covid molecule are the Instructions for replication and what version it is. It also has the RBS and DNA for those horrid spikes that penetrate the cells. For simplification, the inside of the Covid molecule has numbers from 1 to 1000. They are neatly in alpha order. They multiply within the body, and somewhere during this process it mutates, now instead of having 1 to 1000 in order we might have 1, 3, 2 than on to 1000. To crack the next strain, you have to foretell the future.

I did say a page or two back, to watch for the new strain and this one we have now (the Delta) will mutate. Seems it has and this one is called Delta Plus which attacks the lungs.

With idiots in control and not knowing their arse from an ass, no wonder we will have continue to have trouble controlling this virus. I for one do not want this thing under control, that a damn cop out - I want it GONE!!!

This crap isn't for everyone. AZ may well suit a certain age group, males or females, and even If I may say it, ethnic background. Pfizer suits another, Moderna another and so on. At the moment there are about 17 versions of the vax globally. Some work well and others don't. I am extremely highly suspicious of China with 30 million cases and now zero? Pull the other one as it plays jingle bells.

If it is true though, for me personally, it only confirms they invented this virus but already had the cure. They just allowed some to die to make them look good and show "Our people died too but we eventually found a cure".

Maybe very right there BeeMee that thought had crossed my mind too

Can either of you postulate why they might do that? It doesn't make sense. 

Makes sense Froggie if it came from there-- IF they made it then surely they would make sure they had a cure

But why would they make it? 

Well it is better than bombs isn't it -- they would do it to see if they can wipe out places, then walk in and take over, have you not heard of Bio-warfare

Yes, of course, but I don't believe that is what happened here. 

To cripple the various countries for one. Secondly while you have your head buried in the sand, you can see Jack Schitt. So that's when armament increases when no one is watching, too busy fighting the Covid.

Wipe out family members and the soldiers are grieved and likely to affect their fighting ability. Sneaky way to win a fight.

For the last 1500 years China has slowly increased its power and its spread. It was done so slowly that no one really noticed. The people of China knew it may not come in their lifetime, but it would in future generations. That is until now. Sadly Old Ding a Ling hasn't the patience to wait any longer and has ramped up the speed in which his country can dominate the world. That is his mistake, now everyone has noticed, and Japan, USA, India and Australia have joined forces to have each others backs, but New Zealand backed out and wants talks. Good luck with that, if she doesn't watch herself New Zealand will be China owned too.

No worries Froggie believe what you like

"To cripple the various countries for one. " Which countries are being crippled?

All I see is a small increase in total death numbers worldwide with economies bouncing back strongly.

I agree PlanB, it is a free country to have the right to their own opinion and choices. Well at least for now until Scomo starts throwing his weight around and acting like the little Hitler he is.

I would never tell anyone not have the vax, it is their choice as it is mine not to have it.

My feelings at the moment - we are heading for a civil war. The vaxed against the unvaxed, and the Government bodies are likely to be in the bullseye too. Perhaps too many die of the Covid disease/jab and it will cause a storm amongst both sides towards the Government who failed the population when they had no clear road to get over this. I am not against vaccinations, as are the anti-vaxers, they are complete fools to state there is no virus at all. F**kwits! Its there alright, but I am against being forced to have something totally untested and I refuse on the grounds I will not be one of their test bunnies

I have made my own hand wash and refuse the antibacterial crap on the market - it weakens you. Everyone has bacteria on their bodies, and if you use antibacterial compounds to wash your hands, you are killing the good guys that can assist in keeping the virus at bay a little longer than the average person. After studying the Covid molecule irrespective of variant, I have designed my own handwash and I also use it to wash my facemask before reusing again. No don't ask for the recipe - read about the molecule and see what it is made of, then go from there. Science lessons in school have helped in my creation.

And where were you when this convo started? Weaken countries, read the post. Weaken also means having your head in the sand and not realising what's going on. It also means it is likely to affect the soldiers as well, who will fight for a country if they have the virus? To name only two points. This is the same system in a war - cutoff the fuel lines, cut off food lines, cut off water, get the picture. It doesn't matter what is used to do it, they can cripple a country and if the Government of those countries are failing the people, then a civil war breaks out. They are then rendered weakened and the enemy just walks in and takes control.

"Its there alright, but I am against being forced to have something totally untested"

That statement is not true. It is NOT totally untested. However, you can certainly decide for yourself not to be vaccinated for whatever reason. 

As of June 28, 2021, 272 people have died after receiving COVID-19 vaccines in Australia. Only 1 person has died from the virus.
As of June 28, 2021, the COVID-19 fatality roll stands at 910.
The Australian government’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has acknowledged, “to 6 June 2021, the TGA has received 272 reports of death following vaccination for COVID-19 vaccines. With 27,072 total AEFI reports on side-effects.”
There are two reasons why this information is not being reported widely.
Firstly, it’s about politics, not healthcare.
There’s a narrative to protect and an election cycle around the corner. Hence, the TGA follows up their acknowledgement of vaxx deaths and side-effects, with the dismissive disclaimer, “for reports of death other than TTS, our review of cases and analysis of reporting patterns does not suggest that the vaccine caused these deaths.”
TGA information on known adverse side-effects such as Myocarditis and pericarditis, multi-organ failure, Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, and Herpes zoster (shingles) are preceded by the statement “most reports of side-effects are observed with vaccines generally. They include headache, muscle and joint pain, fever and injection site reactions.”
Secondly, the higher number of deaths sell better. Why report there’s only been 1 death so far this year from COVID, when 910 gives a picture to incite panic, by way of an emergency.
Fear porn is rampant in legacy media. Australia’s national broadcaster and many within the media industry jumped on last week’s new COVID cases in Sydney, New South Wales to hype up the hysteria.
Quick to demand suffocating, livelihood killing lockdowns, they couldn’t hide their vulgar drooling over the opportunity to politicise C19 and kick-in the hour-to-hour coverage of “BREAKING news.”
Through a series of related articles or live blogs, the ABC, the Age, The New Daily, joined by their typical Twitter groupies, demanded the Liberal State Premier of New South Wales, Gladys Berejiklian put the state into lockdown.
When the Premier wouldn’t cave in, Leftist, legacy media turned up the pressure. Berejiklian then worked out a compromise, giving orders to only lockdown affected suburbs, and add mask mandates across the state.
The totalitarians in the media didn’t get what they wanted. Now Berejiklian is being accused of doing “too little, too late,” with one Twitter user touting, “Conservatives are fundamentally incapable of governing in the public interest because they don’t believe in the ‘public’.. Thanks Gladys..”
The “there will be casualties, but…” upbeat, pro-C19 vaccine propaganda, isn’t hard to miss.
In a piece published by The Guardian on Sunday entitled Why most people who now die with Covid in England have been vaccinated.
“It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine…”
The upbeat attempt to play down C19 deaths of those with the vaccines ended the piece with a hit-and-run sentence encouraging people to pay attention to numbers that matter, not “hot takes on social or other media.”
All that was missing were smug, “oh well”, “too bad, how sad” emojis to back help hide the false sense of achievement, and the empty show of solidarity with families of the vaxxed dead.
Notice how the C19 “vaccinated class” would rather self-promote, than sigh with the wounded.
At the same time, this went live, Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccines shared a peer-reviewed analysis writing:
“Just out. Peer-reviewed. COVID vaccine risk/benefit ratio. Simply put: As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths.”
The MDPI article (https://t.co/6X88V7s1CY?amp=1) concluded:
“For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination. This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.”
“The present assessment raises the question whether it would be necessary to rethink policies and use COVID-19 vaccines more sparingly and with some discretion only in those that are willing to accept the risk because they feel more at risk from the true infection than the mock infection. Perhaps it might be necessary to dampen the enthusiasm by sober facts?”
There’s good reason to question the vaxx and lockdown hype, and how this hype ignores, and even undermines, the right of informed consent.
The “Anti-Vaxxer” Is the New “That’s Racist”, alongside an article – banned by Twitter – discussing Bret Weinstein, and Dr. Perrie Kody’s thoughts on the censorship of potentially life-saving treatments such as Ivermectin, called, Evolutionary Biologist Calls Censorship of Ivermectin the “Crime of the Century”
and Bioethics of Experimental C19 Vaccine Deployment, where he tells of how:
“Any practicing physician in Canada who goes public with concerns about vaccine safety is subjected to a storm of derision from academic physicians and potential termination of employment (state-controlled socialized medicine) and loss of license to practice.”
“The suppression of information, discussion, and outright censorship concerning these CURRENT COVID VACCINES WHICH ARE BASED ON GENE THERAPY TECHNOLOGIES CAST A BAD LIGHT ON THE ENTIRE VACCINE ENTERPRISE..…Suppression of adverse effects violates fundamental bioethical principles for clinical research.”
That 272 have apparently died from, as yet unlicensed, experimental “vaccines” to fight the virus, should be ringing alarm bells.
Yet, legacy media are selectively silent.
Cue bono? (means "to whom for a benefit," or "who profits by it?" not "to what good purpose? for what use or end?" as is sometimes said).
While, can-work-anywhere with a laptop, latte, and Wifi content providers demand lockdowns from bureaucrats, who receive their cushy tax-payer incomes as normal, the worker suffers.
People who choose to blindly follow these lockdown whores, who censor treatments, medical practitioners and deceptively play a numbers game to pad a narrative, are an accomplice in the theft of income, psychological, emotional and, by default, physical abuse of those, whose lives are affected by the decisions of politicians and an activist class, who care nothing for people, only power.
To quote David Horowitz from ‘The Enemy Within,’ “It is in the nature of human institutions that they require vigilance to keep them honest.” 
The numbers speak for themselves.
As of June 28, 2021, there are 272 dead following the vaccines, only 1 dead from COVID-19.
(The Lockdown whores are:)  It’s time big tech, big government, and big media came clean.

Vaccine not really tested per se on the virus but on Gene therapy, and that in itself will create more problems in time - I guess about 5 years max, but looking more towards 2 - 3.

As of June 28, 2021, 272 people have died after receiving COVID-19 vaccines in Australia. Only 1 person has died from the virus.

Yes, 272 people died after having the vaccine. That's like saying 272 people died after having breakfast or 272 people died after having their blood pressure taken.

That does not mean the vaccine killed them - how can you not understand this.

Just like that reporting done in the US, thousands of medical issues reported after the vaccine was given, but that does not mean the vaccine caused those problems.

Explain to me how the vaccine caused "accidental death", just one of the many issues on the list or "acupuncture". Come smart mouth, explain how the vaccine caused those issues?

You hope. By the end of the year - this year 2021 - we are going to see a whole lot more info released about the virus, vaccinations, actual deaths from both, and how much the Government has hoodwinked the population into a panic mode.

No matter what info I supply, there will ALWAYS be one or more who selectively nit pick one item instead of taking the info as a whole. I will wait before any vaccine enters my body, and watch those who are going to go down hill as organs begin to fail in the future, no longer than 5 years from vaccination date. The vaccine that has an effect on the virus molecule spikes, but it will not stop once it starts gripping on to DNA cells. So where will it go in its never ending move to annihilate a covid affected human DNA? Open season, open slather on any organ.

"You hope. By the end of the year - this year 2021 - we are going to see a whole lot more info released about the virus, vaccinations, actual deaths from both, and how much the Government has hoodwinked the population into a panic mode."

So all the countries around the world have got together, many who despise each other, and agreed (somehow without any one else knowing) to "hoodwink" their populations into having the vaccine by putting them in "panic mode"?

Yes people are nit picking your claims because they are absurd. I notice you fail to answer the numerous questions put towards you, only to say we are fools or whatever.

BILLIONS of doses have been given now, in fact 3.13 billion doses, 27% of the worlds population and people ARE NOT dropping dead, people are not getting major sickness, people are not dying within two weeks as someone said.

You're just one of the loonies who thinks the government is out to get you, I meet a few of them, the government and the world is out to get them, everything is always someone else's fault., blah, blah, blah.

Onya RnR. My hubby had no reaction or even sore arm to both of his AZ shots too but I got quite sick for a day after my first one last Thursday. Feel good now though :)

Good to hear you are feeling well now Ny19

My neighbour who had her shot yesterday had no reaction so far .. not even a sore arm.

what concerns me is that she does not understand that the efficacy of 25% does not start till 2/3 weeks after the jab  ... I told her she should talk to her GP about it.

Thanks Ny19 and Suze ... will be continuing my very, very limited social contact until after my second AZ jab. Seldom socialise now, and when I do it is only to shop early in morning (masked) and see my little familiy (adults fully-Pfizer vaccinated). Currently my little family are in NZ visiting my DIL's family for the first time since her cancer diagnosis last year ... hope they can get back OK.

Good for you RnR, hope it all goes swimmingly for you.

PlanB. It is not rubbish. There are no such things as DNA cells - as your quote above says. DNA is a a molecular component of cells.

"Deoxyribonucleic acid, more commonly known as DNA, is a complex molecule that contains all of the information necessary to build and maintain an organism. All living things have DNA within their cells. The main role of DNA in the cell is the long-term storage of information. It is often compared to a blueprint, since it contains the instructions to construct other components of the cell, such as proteins and RNA molecules. "

Repeat, there are no such things as DNA cells.  

No matter what you do or say here, there will be the clowns who have to make it all about them. I tried to make it simple to understand for those who are not well versed on the technical, but even they go all out to make the simple, hard.

Froggie - I have it on good authority - you seem to have to forgotten or not bothered to read my former posting on this site - I have 2 cousins who are Doctors who specialists in specific fields. So I will take note of what they say, above all the BS being fed to us by Governments, the paid under the table Medicos, and anyone else who wants to shaft the public. Plus my own private doctor has warned me off the jab, has said it is dangerous.

No use repeating myself, or I will sound like a cracked record for who are hard to hear, or don't bother to read and allow it to sink in. Just to nit pick one tiny word, phrase or sentence.

Just promise us one thing, Beemee - in 12 to 18 months when all your outlandish claims have been proven wrong, come on here and apologise.

Froggie - you're on in 18 months time. But I expect to have the same from you and others who have treated what I say with contempt or the ravings of a mad woman.

If you can, download/watch "The Drum" from last night ABC IVIEW. Gives some insights too.

Froggie - you're on in 18 months time. But I expect to have the same from you and others who have treated what I say with contempt or the ravings of a mad woman.

If you can, download/watch "The Drum" from last night ABC IVIEW. Gives some insights too.

Exactly!

So we really don't have X and Y chromosomes? Guess they were lying all along. Means we don't have specific DNA for hair colour, eye colour, shape of specific parts of the body. Guess they were wrong on that too.

Beemee of course we have those genes as part of our DNA. The point is, and I will say this slowly, there-are-no-such-things-as DNA-cells. DNA is a molecule which is a PART of every cell. 

Here it is again, ""Deoxyribonucleic acid, more commonly known as DNA, is a complex molecule that contains all of the information necessary to build and maintain an organism. All living things have DNA within their cells. The main role of DNA in the cell is the long-term storage of information. It is often compared to a blueprint, since it contains the instructions to construct other components of the cell, such as proteins and RNA molecules. " 

Read my posts above about this and Sophie's also.

All are reportedly asymptomatic and in good spirits.

From my readings it appears that although the Delta virus is more burgeon to the Alpha virus it seems to be less virulent.

I am surprised that these 3 elderly had 2 jabs of Pfizer ???

All residents of nursing homes were in the 1a roll out Suze, which meant they all got the Pfizer vacc.

Two further residents at an aged care home in Sydney have this morning tested positive to COVID-19.But once again they did not say if they were vacinated ? if so with what ?

All the best Hola.

Yeah, had the AZ Jab yesterday, all went well, no side effects . My son asked me to ask my Doctor if he could get the Pfizer shot in a couple of weeks and he said there isn't any available to the local Medical Centres, he'll just have to wait.