A Change in Values

Some commentators are saying that the large swing to the greens was not entirely a protest vote, but a real change in values.

I think we are seeing some of the effects of a very large and profound transition from the old industrial age to the new post-carbon age. one of the essential changes is for all humans to adopt new values, such as responsibility for one's actions and awareness of how our actions affect our environment, other people, other creatures and our present and future sustainability.

Essentially, as at all times of transition, its a battle between the old, who fear change, and the new, who fear non-change as they can see the dangers of staying in the past. balance is necessary as change, if too rapid, can destabilise.

I suspect we will see as many political changes coming up as we will increasingly see vast changes in weather patterns.

What do others think?

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Koko, you've made an interesting comment: "I find it extremely annoying that some people who are more inclined toward Green /left politics , assume that more conservative voters are not concerned with pollution and the environment. ".



If conservative voters really are concerned with pollution and environment I am wondering why they tend to vote against reduction in logging of old growth forests, for more and more polluting mining, more urban sprawl, greater immigration, more roads, more cars, greater exploration for oil/gas on our barrier reef, less investment and government support for clean renewable energy sources, etc....



If conservative voters really were concerned with pollution and destruction of our environment, would our country be in the dire state it is in today? (I'm referring to the poor state of our environment.)



it may be that you are an exception and really do care about these things, so i'm wondering who you vote for and what your reasons might be?

My apologies for not answering your second response to me sooner.

I did try and answer to the best of my ability.

Your post assumes that the environmentalists are 100% correct. I don't. I do believe though that many on the right have become much more aware of certain aspects of the old ways of doing things and are genuinely attempting to modernise .

I care for the environment, but do NOT agree with much of the environmentalists methods.

That I suppose is what I'm trying to say. It's not a black and white situation as some Greens would have us believe.

Here in Victoria, the govt has refused to build dams, and is building a desal plant at a cost which dwarfs what it would cost to build a couple of dams. We've had great rains in the last week, with more to come...mostly running off to the ocean. Not to mention the power the desal plant will use. I just feel there is no compromising with the Greens and their friends ALP.

Koko, don't be discouraged, your opinion is valued here, the forum wouldn't be the same without your posts. Back off Seth, you are soundling like a bully, you don't run the show even thought I suspect you would like to.



Thankyou.

You're welcome mate.

Seth you are missing the point its the easter bunny's kin

that are after you!!! If you read between the lines I recon that they have engaged

the aid of the 2 forum heavyweights namely Koko and Toot 2000

to get you mate.So be afraid very afraid Seth cause if they sit on you......... :bug:



Zapot, now you have scared the living daylights out of me,

I need advice quickly! do I run into the jungle and hide?

Is that rabbit tank driver still after me?

Or should I return to Phyls' cooking and vibrating school?

I thought of hiding out at Tadpoles place but the water is too cold.

besides mick may be hiding there.

Well Seth I have considered your options and it appears to me that your best bet would

be to try Phyls’ cooking and vibrating school you should be safe there

you will learn how to eat while vibrating and hanging upside down.

Then head off to Tadpole's place for an invigorating swim.

Seth you are more than welcome to come and hide out ,here in the west,,I won't let the bunny's get you mate ,I can't comment on the water, I never go near water any deeper than the bath , I can't compete with Phyl in the culinary stakes and the only vibrating that happens here is whena big plane goes over and shakes the house ,, but good old Aussie tucker like mother used to make , I do ok with I am sure you would enjoy my special Bully Beef though obviously,it would give a couple of the lassies indigestion , but who cares, I'm not inviting them . ps,I don't think Mick is over here ' I'm sure I would have heard his wooden leg clunking as he walked past,,,Love ya like a brother mate

While reading Tadpoles invitation and the mention of bully beef

I started drooling, I couldn't pack quick enough,



The little women said, Where do you think your going?

I said I'm off to Tadpoles not only for safety but for the tucker'

.

My headache is starting to fade and the bleeding has stopped.

Sorry Tadpole I'm not allowed out, but I should be alright soon.

Well Seth I have considered your options and it appears to me that your best bet would

be to try Phyls’ cooking and vibrating school you should be safe there

you will learn how to eat while vibrating and hanging upside down.

Then head off to Tadpole's place for an invigorating swim.



After my failed attempt to visit Tadpole for safety and food,

the thought did enter my mind about Phyl and the delightful

cooking, not only am I not game enough to mention it my

little women but still have the memory of my last visit.

I kept tripping and falling over the excessively large wobble

board that takes up much of the space in their home,

every time I reached for a delicacy I slipped on the wobble board.

so much so that the mess was unbelievable, now I dont think

I am welcome there anymore.I saw Peter frowning a lot and

looking at his gun, that made me uncomfortable.

Thanks for the concern, Zapot.

Seth please assure Mrs Seth , my only thought was to protect you, I am certainly not after your body, for one thing I could not remember what to do with it I can only imagine the state of poor Phyl's House with all that mollassas cake and lemon tarts and yogarty pizza every where , But if Peter was frowning , that is because he is short sighted and he is too vain to wear his glasses .As for the gun, that is only a toy that he shoots the flys with when Phyl is too tired to clean up after the visitors fall over the toys

Tadpole you have brought a ray of sunshine to me on a cold morning,

you have no idea how relieved I was to know that you are not after my

body!!! I feel much better now realising that it is my money you are after.

However I must warn you that I have left it all to the lost cat's home,

to provide warm and cosy rubbish bins so when a cat is tossed in it will

be comfortable.

P.S. That was good news that it was a toy gun, but Peter didn't look happy.

possibly because it was Zapot eating everything in sight.and not me

making a mess or was it Phyl's cooking sending everyone into a frenzy

It certainly was a wild night!!! .



you have no idea how relieved I was to know that you are not after my

body!!! I feel much better now realising that it is my money you are after.





That certainly is "A Change in Values"

Definately on topic



:)

fwed, if you behave yourself maybe Phyl will invite you

to the next wild frenzy night.

No dear Seth ,you read me wrong Money means nothing to me , that old saying is so true , you never do miss what you have never had, and I'm glad you spent your money on the pussies (NO pun intended )My main attraction to you is your iltelligence and vitality If either of the main political party's had any of your brain skills , they would both have another game of "Stab in the Back: send their leaders packing and spend all the n money they can borrow on getting you to lead them,,moving forward of course , not at a standstill as we are , nor running around in circles as we were SETH FOR PM

I will second that Tadpole Seth for Prime Minister of Australia :)

Go on Seth get a Senior's Party going to help ALL Seniors.

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