What is China up to? $$$

A map of south east asia showing the path a vessel took travelling from china to australia

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-02/chinese-research-vessel-tracked-defence-subs-western-australia/12009708

A high-tech Chinese research vessel has been detected mapping strategically important waters off the Western Australian coast where submarines are known to regularly transit.

Key points:

A Defence official said the ship was mapping waters used by Australian submarines to get to the South China Sea

A Border Force spokesperson said the Xiang Yang Hong 01 had stayed in international waters

In 2018, the Xiang Yang Hong 01 was found to be operating illegally within the Exclusive Economic Zone of Palau

 

In January and February, officials closely tracked the movements of the oceanographic ship as it conducted deepwater surveys in the Indian Ocean near Christmas Island and the Australian mainland.

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Infographic: Australia's trade and investment with China in 2013-4. See text alternative below.

 

Yes I think most Australians know but perhaps don't realize China loans money to a lot of smaller countries that don't have a chance of repaying the debt, that is where the problem is because they are located around Australia!

 

 

 

 

China is Australia's largest trading partner. Trade and investment with China is central to Australia's future prosperity. In 2017, China bought $116 billion of Australian exports, more than a quarter of Australia's total exports to the world; China is our top overseas market for agriculture, resources and services. Chinese investment in Australia reached $65 billion by the end of 2017.

https://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/in-force/chafta/fact-sheets/Pages/chafta-outcomes-at-a-glance

More recent:

China is Australia’s largest trading partner; two-way trade between the countries is worth $194.6 billion annually. The value of Australia-China relationship is more than twice that of our next largest trading partner, Japan.

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2020/05/01/how-will-covid-19-affect-australia-china-business-relations-.html

 

 

 

I feel a lot of people do not like the fact that Australia is so heavily reliant on them, it puts Australia in a very bad situation.   Australia needs to deversify their trade.  

Just found this.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-19/australia-trade-war-trade-partners-us-china/10281180

Wow who gets all this money? Why are we so reliant on them? And what did we do before China bought all our stuff?

China is Australia’s largest trading partner; two-way trade between the countries is worth $194.6 billion annually. The value of Australia-China relationship is more than twice that of our next largest trading partner, Japan.

Thanks for the info cirdan, heaven help us if they cut us loose, I hope they need us as much as we need them.

 

 

Hugh White sees the US–Australia military alliance weakening, possibly disappearing, as China’s rise undermines US hegemony in East Asia and as US relative power wanes. ‘We will really be on our own’, he observes in How to defend Australia.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/an-expensive-leap-into-greater-uncertainty-hugh-white-and-the-defence-of-australia/

Hugh White AO is an Emeritus Professor of Strategic Studies at the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre of the Australian National University in Canberra, Australia, long-time defence and intelligence analyst, and author who has published works on military strategy and international relations.

Australia, ANZUS
and Rising China: can Melos have cake and eat it too?

https://www.defence.gov.au/ADC/Publications/documents/Shedden/2013/Rawlins%20final%20PDF.pdf

Might we have to choose between war and the overwhelming cost to our country(the world) or continuing economic prosperity?

That, Cirdan is what is concerning me and a lot of other Australians;  I do not think our Federal Politicians over the last forty years have been very wise in their selection of trading partner, I seem to remember back in the 60s the worry of the Red Peril!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/01/beware-the-red-peril-indonesia-still-fighting-ghosts-of-communism

 

Scary stuff, we really need to keep friends with China, is that what our Governments are worried about if they cause friction with them?

In life we have to be flexible and not put all our eggs in one basket Incognito.  We should have found other means of selling Barley elsewhere before now.    Australia needs to diversify and quickly, it may not stop at Barley but go onto other exports we have.

It's not just about the recent Covid-19 enquiry.

 

"There’s more to it than barley"

 

No one else will purchase our barley in the same quantity as China.

Celia you should be more worried about Trump and the current US administration. Trump is unstable, unpredctable and more likely to initiate a conflict with China because it suits his own personal agenda. You so easily forget it was the Bush administration that iniated the war in the ME based on false information.

Countries in SE Asia have every right to maintain and defend their territorial integrity against China's expensionism so what are US warships doing there? If Chinese warships were cruising just outside of US territorial waters or in the Gulf of Mexico would the US not feel threatened and retaliate?

 

"American philosopher and political activist Noam Chomsky has criticized Washington's policies on Iran and referred to polls from prestigious centres, which show that America is the biggest threat to world peace. According to Iran Press/America, he told a New York school on January 4 that the former Republican Party had now become a "radical rogue" that has abandoned any parliamentary policy."

https://www.twn.my/twnf/2020/4897.htm

Russian aggression and the rise of China are among the biggest foreign policy concerns Americans face. In many countries, though, the world power seen as most threatening is the United States.

https://www.axios.com/the-biggest-global-threats-us-russia-china-c3230b2c-447e-472a-b9dc-5b2a2e2b3117.html

Which Country Is The Greatest Threat to World Peace?

https://brilliantmaps.com/threat-to-peace/

 

 

 

 

 

They are both my concern!

 

I chat to two Americans, one worships Trump the other cannot stand him and feels the same way.

I find him a bit unstable, he seems to mezmerize his followers strangly.

Oh I have not forgotten about Bush and his Vice! They to my way of thinking loved war because it made money.  Cheney was a big worry.

 

 

I don't think you can blame Trump, he has his advisors and those who are in the know, Trump really is just a business man, I dont think he knows much about politics or international relations.

Incognito, you don't seem to know much about the Trump administration. His advisors are his family, hand picked devotees and advocates for the continuation of Trump's power. Many of the advisors "in the know" he has fired or they have left the administration in despair. Trump is more than just a business man. The Trump administration has even stacked the Supreme Court. He a megalomaniac that will do anything to stay in power. That includes manipulating and threatening foreign governments. Even long standing allies if they disagree with him. Even John Bolton, a renown hawk who was in the US administration believes Trump is a very dangerous man. He plays a very dangerous game with China and it may well be to our detriment.

Incognito Trump surrounds himself with 'yes' people.  A lot of US corporate do the same. It is in their blood, till one day they trip over.

Maybe I should have worded it differently, meaning Trump is not the only one to blame, I really have enough trouble keeping up with politics in Australia, and don't have time to keep up with the complications of the USA politics.

China is expansive and ruthless with it's own people and anyone that doesn't toe the party line or any other country that gets in their way but they don't need nor want a war. They have nothing gain and everything to lose. The Trump administration want a war because it boosts their defence industry and Trump's base love to rally around a cause and engage in violence. Just look how they have treated some of their state governors. He is also looking for a distraction from the mess he's made with the Covid-19 in the US and their economy.

https://indivisible.org/resource/donald-trump-national-security-risk-here’s-current-trumpthreatlevel

The high-temperature argument over blame for the coronavirus is rapidly pushing the United States and China into a potentially dangerous new Cold War.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-05-06/us-china

COVID-19 Depression : Donald Trump Needs a War ?

https://www.hastakshepnews.com/covid-19-depression-donald-trump-needs-a-war/

U.S. says it will 'always have Australia's back' after Chinese ambassador threatened to boycott Aussie products over push for coronavirus inquiry

 

Bipartisanship in U.S. politics is rare, but when it comes to the relationship with Australia, both Republicans and Democrats say the U.S. 'will always have Australia's back

 

 

 

Probably because of Pine Gap!

Image result for Pine GapImage result for Pine GapImage result for Pine GapImage result for Pine GapImage result for Pine GapImage result for Pine GapImage result for Pine Gap   Pine GapDescriptionPine Gap is the commonly used name for a US satellite surveillance base and Australian Earth station approximately 18 kilometres south-west of the town of Alice Springs, Northern Territory in the centre of Australia which is jointly operated by Australia and the United States.Wikipedia Opened: 1970Operators: Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency

 

Which means whatever war the US initiates with China, Iran or North Korea, they will expect us to be there in the thick of it. We all know how that has worked for us in the pAST- Vietnam, Korea, the ME and Afghanistan except if there is ever a war between the US and China it will far worse for us in lives lost, a decimated economy and no one else to rescue us.

 

 

Hey I have never been a politician!

I didn't agree to building Pine Gap did you?

Yes it is a concern a frightening concern, the US is not stupid.  Why plonk Pine Gap in the middle of Australia?  Far away from the USA?

Of course they have our back covered it is in their own interests!

 

 

Really! You think Pine Gap is going to save us? If a major conflict arises between China and the US, Pine Gap will be the first to go. Then Naval Communication Station Harold E. Holt, located on the northwest coast of Australia and then the Robertson Barracks, in Darwin. Do you think the US will then come to rescue the rest of Australia? China would wipe Pine Gap and the other two places off the face of the earth in an hour and then what value will Australia be to the US. The US would be far to busy with their bases in the Phillipines, Malaysia, Japan, South Korea. I think you over estimate the value of Australia, to the US, apart from these three fascilities in the north.

They plonked Pine Gap in the middle of Autralia because it enables them to monitor their satellites with minimal radio interference and to keep a close eye on SE Asia. Not because they value our country any more than they value the Phillipines, Malaysia, Japan, South Korea which actually have more strategic value to them than we do.

Your twisting my words, it probably will attract an attack.

Your twisting my words, it probably will attract an attack.

"Republicans and Democrats say the U.S. 'will always have Australia's back"

Seriously don't you think there is a cost to this? A very strong potential cost to us? All this posturing and brinkmanship is going on in our backyard not America's.

China bans Australian abattoirs

Gavin Fernando, 12 May 2020.

China has suspended meat imports from at least four Australian abattoirs amid rising tensions between the Federal Government and Beijing. The Kilcoy plant, Beef City in Toowoomba, the Dinmore meatworks in Brisbane and the Northern Co-operative Meat Company at Casino in NSW have been suspended by Australia’s largest trading partner.

There are fears it was a retaliatory response to Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s call for an independent investigation into the COVID-19 outbreak.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/coronavirus-china-suspends-meat-imports-from-four-australian-abattoirs-amid-rising-tensions/news-story/9cc28264688dc1fe26725295b3e9eed9

Good at least less animals will be killed.

In view how Cedar Meats abattoir was hushed up and still exporting meat you cannot really blame them.

... it is a wonder any body from the world is still buying meat from Australia

There is a total of 88 infections linked to the meat cluster.

Nine people are in hospital, including six patients in intensive care.

I posted this on the "China" thread over a week ago and still stand by it....

 

 

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News items on anything Chinese and how it will affect Australia.” (Topic Heading).

 

Australia is not the only country that has been condemned and threatened for demanding accountability from Beijing regarding the coronavirus.

However…many of those other countries do not have as much to lose fracturing relationships with China. I believe words spoken cannot be taken back by our leaders and they should be very careful of their rhetoric.  

Australia’s trading relationship with China is hugely significant. China is Australia’s largest two-way trading partner in goods and services, representing more than a quarter of all international trade. In 2018-2019 that figure reached $235 billion.

Australia has been accused of acting with “little diplomatic tact” ..I agree.

 

 

 

 

China is indisputably a bully and so is the U.S. Unfortunately we have to choose sides when it comes to diplomacy. If we blindly follow the lead of the current US administration then we will suffer much more than the US.

 

 

China does not need our beef or barley. They can negotiate with countries like Brazil and Argentina which produce some of the best meat in the world.

They can get their barley from Russia.

Australia has a lot more to lose than China...so treading carefully is crucial.

Fortunately for WA, China will continue to buy meat from Harvey Beef (IMO best beef in Oz)...Harvey Beef is ownd by Andrew (Twiggy) Forrest.

 

 

A China Mobile sign in Shangahi. The world's largest mobile network is set to buy the largest phone network in the Pacific Islands as trade disputes rise between Australia and China 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8317283/Beijing-moves-buy-biggest-mobile-network-Pacific-Islands-expand-influence-region.html?ito=email_share_article-image-share

Well you wonder why? To track everyone in the pacific and possible to use it for other reasons??

Like Google, Apple, Australian Signals Directorate and the US Signals Intelligence Service already do?

 

 

 Guam military base is at risk now, US defense sources have warned

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8326109/US-lose-war-China-fought-Pacific-Pentagon-sources-warn.html?ito=email_share_article-image-share

 

 

The USS Ronald Reagan. The US would lose a war with China fought in the Pacific, is unable to defend Taiwan from an invasion and fears the Guam military base is at risk now, US defense sources have warned

The USS Ronald Reagan. The US would lose a war with China fought in the Pacific, is unable to defend Taiwan from an invasion and fears the Guam military base is at risk now, US defense sources have warned

The US would lose a war with China fought in the Pacific, is unable to defend Taiwan from an invasion and fears the Guam military base is at risk now, US defense sources have warned. 

'Eye-opening' Pentagon war games have revealed growing fears the US is vulnerable to threats from China and that any attack would lead to the US 'suffering capital losses', the sources said.

The worrying analysis is expected to come to light in the Pentagon's 2020 China military power report this summer. 

 

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