Climate Change

I do beleive that human activity has and is affecting the climate. However I have to agree with the Federal Opposition from the point of view that it is better to wait until after the Copenhagen Conference before deciding on the best course of action. The Federal Government rush to have it passed by the end of the year was nothing more than political grandstanding so that Kevin Rudd/ Penny Wong could go to Copenhagen and tell the world how good they are (not) in getting the first scheme up.
As a young University student in the late 60's we were told of the natural cycles of cooling and warming of the planet and that we were and still are in a natural warming cycle. Evidence of that can be found in thge likes of Glacier Bay Alaska where the extent of the glaciers has been tracked since the mid 18th century and it has retreated a long way over 70 miles or so since that time in a steady progression.
That is not to say that human activity by way of the Industrial Revolution has not contributed to the an acceleration in the warming process. I would venture to say that human activity is a significant harmonic on the natural warming and cooling cycles the planet goes through.
In my lifetime I have noticed a significant change in the climate particularly since the acceleration in industrialisation in developing countries like India and China in the last 20 years. That is not to say that India and China are to blame, we are all to blame as we live more and more opulent lifestyles.
The highly developed countries laid the foundations for climate change in the last century with rampant industrial and economic growth based upon the use of fossil fuels for energy to support that growth.
We all have to take a step back in the industrialised world and take steps to mitigate our use of energy and processed resources.
However I am not sure that an Emissions Trading Scheme based upon taxation only is necessarily the best option.

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toot2000, It is not up to me to say whether or not he should be allowed to cut down his trees.

What I did say was that the land clearing in his district has caused the land to become less fertile.

I remember here in Qld when the state government introduced the land clearing laws, a farmer neighbor brought in a bulldozer, the day before the laws came into effect and cleared a mountainside of every tree.

A week later we had 250mm rain and all that was left on that mountain was rocks and gullies on which once was good grazing land.

Peter Spencer has admitted that sheep were dying on his property because of lack of food.

That to me means he was overstocked.

He has not been able to pay his mortgage and his land will be taken over by the bank.



I do feel sorry for him but feel that he has contributed to his own problems.

Fwed, On 3/12/2002 Land Line, that excellent rural tv program on Channel 2 said this.



"NSW farmers are angry over the land-clearing act. In the last ten years the number of federal and state government laws affecting what a farmer can and can't do with his land has exploded. There's the salinity action plan, water reform, threatened species legislation, catchment managment plans, world heritage nominations, native titel and tree clearing laws.The great majority of farmers agree with the environmental aims of the laws, but say the unintended outcome is the curtailing of their ability to run their businesses the way they want to.



The NFF, which nominates property rights as its number one issue, says while the whole community benefits from the rules farmers are bearing all the costs. In New South Wales the act causing the most angst is the native vegetation conservation act. It sets limits on clearing and in the most affected communities resentment and anger is so great government staff have been banned from coming onto farmer's properties and illegal clearing is rife."



Peter Spencer is a desperate man no longer able to earn a living from his farm that produced some of the best fine wool? He's been to court 200 times but hasn't been allowed to present side of the story and wants all farmers to be able to claim compensation from the government. Why can't we folks in the city find out more about what our wonderful farmers, the salt of the earth, need.

The land clearing laws in NSW are not so much about climate change but more about biodiversity.

NSW has the highest rate of approved clearing in Australia.

Approximately 74,000 hectares of native vegetation were cleared in 2005, made up of 44,000 hectares approved clearing and 30,000 hectares illegal clearing (40 percent of total clearing)



Much of the current clearing is occurring in areas where there has already been the greatest loss of native ecosystems and biodiversity. Loss of native vegetation is continuing despite efforts to revegetate.



The clearing of native vegetation results in an inevitable loss of species through the degradation and destruction of their habitat. In NSW there are over a 1000 species of plants and animals listed as threatened with habitat loss listed as a key threatening process for most of those listed.



The wheat/sheep belt of Central NSW is critical habitat for more than 200 species of birds. 70-80% of native vegetation in the region has been cleared for agricultural purposes. In some districts, the destruction of woodlands has been near total, with less than 1% of original vegetation remaining. The remnants of bush that remain are mostly too small for the long term survival of woodland birds. More than 20 species of birds are currently listed as threatened in this region and one species has become extinct.



Land Clearing is the major cause of dryland salinity, which degrades vast areas of productive agricultural land, poisons rivers and water supplies, damages infrastructure such as roads, and threatens remaining native vegetation.



Controlling salinity and rehabilitating salt-affected land is extremely costly to society. NSW already has 180 000 ha of productive farmland affected by dryland salinity. This area is expected to increase eight-fold by 2050.



Nationally, the cost of lost agricultural production and environmental damage attributable to salinity is $250 million per year and rising. These costs are borne by farmers, government and the community. In intensively-farmed areas of the state, such as the central and western sheep-wheat belt of NSW, only about 30% of pre-European native vegetation cover remains. The vegetation that does remain is often located on non-arable soils on stony ridges, and is not representative of the full range of species present prior to European settlement.

[url=http://nccnsw.org.au/index.php?Itemid=809&id;=1278&option;=com_content&task;=view]Source[/url]

Fwed, Well I for one want to hear more about Peter Spencer's side of the story. I think the farmer is getting a rough deal and wouldn't doubt for a moment that their land HAS been pinched to meet the Kyoto protocol commitments. I hate it when you copy paragraphs of stuff taken from somewhere, just tell me what you think in your own words.

Click on the picture of Peter Spencer and listen to the interview with Alan Jones



http://www.agmates.com/blog/category/agmates-people/farmer-hunger-strike/

Fwed, I hate it when you copy paragraphs of stuff taken from somewhere,.

I had to have a chuckle here toot2000.

I had a look back thru this topic and noticed you had copied & pasted stuff at least 6 times.

Now this seems like woman's logic :)

:lol: I am sure toots statement gave a few of us a chuckle fwed. :lol:



Many feel sorry Peter finds it necessary to go to such extreme measures but when all said and done if everyone who has been slighted or rather the laws do not pertain to us did this, it would do no good as seems Peter will not, and it will be very sad if he passes away before he needed to. Many have lost a lot in fact most of us in our lifetimes because of things happening but we pick ourselves up and go on.

Yes but Fwed you copy paragraphs and paragraphs, and it goes on and on and on, I only copy little bits, he he.

Hi Brianna, I thought there would be more people sympathetic to his cause because a lot of us older folk come from a farming background (including me). So I will be his lone supporter on About Seniors but I don't care, I'm waving the flag for Peter. Hopefully his daughter who is a nurse will get up there and jab him with a needle and knock him out, and bring him down - that's why I'd do anyway.

Hi Brianna, I thought there would be more people sympathetic to his cause because a lot of us older folk come from a farming background (including me). So I will be his lone supporter on About Seniors but I don't care, I'm waving the flag for Peter. Hopefully his daughter who is a nurse will get up there and jab him with a needle and knock him out, and bring him down - that's why I'd do anyway.





No Toot, you aren't the only one. I posted a while ago on Mr Spencer.

Just haven't found it worthwhile to continue.

Have a look here, if you care to.



http://www.aboutseniors.com.au/index.php/meeting_place/viewthread/1500/P30/

Thanks koko, glad to have another supporter. I'm just waiting for his daughter to come onto 2GB to be interviewed.

I've just sent an email to Kevin Rudd asking him to intervene in Peter Sinclair's case and to let the people know the truth about this whole sorry story.



http://pm.gov.au/PM_Connect/contact_your_pm_form

Good luck Toot, but don't hold your breath.



Rudd won’t negotiate with Peter Spencer

ALAN DICK

23 Dec, 2009 07:17 AM

A spokesman for Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, has warned hunger striking Monaro district grazier, Peter Spencer, will not succeed in changing government policy over compensation of farmers for land clearing restrictions.



[url=http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/state/agribusiness-and-general/general/rudd-wont-negotiate-with-peter-spencer/1711620.aspx]Source[/url]

Toot , no you are not alone.. I can only speak for myself, but sometimes I do not respond for fear of what I will put in print , I but I will say it is my belief thart the press lack of interest is because they have been warned off ,,,and don't try to convince me that it couldn't happen, you willl never succeed .An absolute disgrace that an Australian citizen can be allowed to do this and the so called Christian who is our leader?and I say that reservedly, ignores his plight ,, If thats a Christian, I would prefer to be a heathen

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