Suze thanks for putting that up again Suze -- I did it some time ago -- it is a great site and the more the better that join -- takes seconds every week -- and you are able to see where the danger area are -- I have been on it since it started -- the more that join the better as it enables them to know where the infected areas are

Thanks Suze will do!

You may be dead reight Shetso1 -- I hope not but flu season is on the way here

Yes I agreee with you Shetso and PlanB, once winter hits the COVID 19 will have a greater impact in Australia.

I've been doing Flutracking  at https://www.flutracking.net

for a number of years now ... it does not take much time and it helps research

Whether you get the flu Vaccine or not ... it does not proclude you to participate.

Actually it may keep the stats in balance.

It might be the case that he was not tested early enough because sometimes symptoms do not show.

I think there needs to be much more care taken -- and telling people to SELF ISOLATE -- what a joke -- most don't care a darn for anyone but themselves

Can anyone remember Hong Kong flu of the late 1960s?

Vaguely remember  getting it myself along with quite a few other people at that time and was pretty sick.  But there didn't seem to be any quarantining or anything.  People just got it, got sick, got better but with some probably dying from it as is the case with yearly flu seasons.

But no have never seen quarantining on the Coronavirus scale in my lifetime.

SARS and MERS have a much higher death rate and occurred relatively recently really - but cannot recall massive cities of millions of people being in lock down or even if Australia closed their borders to people from countries so affected.  Or masses of people in face masks everywhere and doctors in what looks like medical space suits worn by those treating people with Coronavirus.  

Think the Ebola reaction seems about as close as I can come in relation to a comparison with Coronavirus.

Unprecendent reaction from Governments, why? It is about learning ways of controlling people? I am still dumbfounded how they have the resources to do all the lab testing of people's saliva, maybe that is another way of collecting DNA.

Considering when we have blood tests to find out anything is wrong and how long it takes to get the results.

And I question those who have died what drugs are they being forced to take?

Agree musicveg - especially your last sentence...

.... heard earlier that thousands of Chinese sex workers are hiding the fact they may have the virus as they are too scared to go to hospitals/doctors for fear of retribution from the Chinese Govt.

Can only get worse as more scenario's are coming to light within China ....go figure!  

Interesting to note that in South Korea it is a religious sect of people that have the most cases. And why is Italy having so many cases all of a sudden? They do have a fairly strict vaccine program there, I am wondering if there is a connection to some dud vaccines?

Hi Shetso 1

Yes I can remember Hong Kong flu. Pretty nasty it was, but I still travelled overseas in 58/59 & 66. But the media was not so sophisticated as today and didn't panic the public.

View all  The Hong Kong flu resulted in an estimated one million to four million deaths, far fewer than the 1918–19 pandemic, which caused between 25 million and 50 million deaths. The 1968 pandemic was initiated by the emergence of a virus known as influenza A subtype H3N2 (also called Hong Kong flu virus).  https://www.britannica.com/event/Hong-Kong-flu-of-1968   

Interesting Celia how many people died yet the world did not panic even though it was being spread by soldiers worldwide. Most interesting though is it started in China! So how many viruses have started in China? and why? And even more interesting is that even though it killed so many people it is still in circulation so therefore it was never completely eliminated anyway. Will this be the same case with Corona and how did the HK pandemic stop or when the authorities decided it was no longer an immediate threat?. Looking at past pandemics and how they were handled is interesting to compare what is happening now.

Hi Musicveg.

I believe as I have said, the media was not so sophisticated back then, most of us didn't hear about it till it was up and running for weeks. 

Also Why China?

I think they eat a lot of wild and weird animals that are not killed in clean abattoirs or even sold in sanitory conditions;  on the news today China has finally banned the consumption of these wild animals.

Hi Musicveg,

Interesting aspect of the Spanish flu was that the death rate was prevalent amongst relatively young otherwise healthy adults between say 20 to 40 years, where as many other flu types including Coronavirus seems deadly for the very young, elderly, or those with pre-existing health problems.

Dreadful turn of events for some young soldiers to survive years of the bloody wasteful slaughter on a massive scale that was WW1, only to be struck down by Spanish flu when it was all coming to an end.  Actually thought Spanish flu was a type of avian flu originating from birds.

Celia,

Surely humans have eaten wild animals forever.  I mean indigenous people would have always eaten kangaroos and goannas and any bird they could lay their hands on.  Think Europeans of the past would have eaten wild deer, boars, sheep, cattle and other things.  Native Americans ate bison which seemed to be wild and just sort of roamed freely in herds.  With humans just sort of following them around because they were a reliable food source.

Actually not really sure I know the difference between wild animals for eating and the rest.

 But wonder if humans got flu viruses on epidemic scale back then.

It could also be because of the number of poisons that are used as well as all the chemicals that are spayed and fed to Animals AND we humans eat because of the amount that are sprayed/fed -- the likes of grain etc is sprayed 7 times with the likes of Roundup -- and the animals WE eat are fed Hormones and Antibiotics -- and thats in our so called CIVALISTED country  --it must ALL have a detrimental effect.

NOTHING is natural anymore!

It is also one of the reasons that antibiotics do not work well these days --because we are fed them in a roundabout way.

Shetso1, I don't think you can really compare the Spanish flu, too long ago and hygiene was a bit different in those days, as well as storing of food, during WW1 many were starving due to lack of fresh food so they would not have been getting enough Vitamin C which prevents illness.

PlanB yes chemicals play a bit part on weaking immune systems sometimes damaging it permanently. And to think what is in the disinfectants getting sprayed everywhere now.

Personally I don't eat meat and it is hard to say what is safe to eat, due to what they put in animals and how they are fed unnatural foods to fatten up. They are mostly sick and stressed when killed so that all plays a part too.

Celia,

Regarding your statement about Chinese people eating a lot of wild animals:

Have you forgotten about Mad Cow Disease in Britain? I'm sure there are probably other examples of humans developing disease from eating certain fish and animals over the ages, it is not limited to Chinese people.

Yes Ny19 my husband was transferred to the UK when this was happening.  But it spreads around the world not just in the UK it has been found in Canada for instance.

It was the dairy industry that had Mad Cow.  The Chinese are killing all sorts of animals in the open market place to eat.  From Honey bears to domestic cats!

BSE is a disease of cattle; however, under experimental conditions, scientists have found that other mammals, such as sheep, goats, pigs, and cats, can become infected.

Mad cow disease, also called Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), is a fatal disease that slowly destroys the brain and spinal cord in cattle. People cannot get mad cow disease. However, in rare cases they can get a human form of mad cow disease called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), which is also fatal.

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/tu6533

Have you been following this? And do you know who will benefit from this? The super rich will buy up when it is low and make more billions, while the smaller businesses will go broke. It has happened before.

Yes musicveg :)

What else can you doe when it is too hot or too wet in the garden ??

And it does keep you away from people that spread germs and viruses.

Smaller businesses and individuals should join in.

Yes I would not wish to go on any holiday till this is sorted out!   I pity the tourist industry. Best stay at home and limit the amount of movement you just don't know where people have travelled from or how honest they are.

Our doctors surgery the last month have been putting out questions about where have you been in the last week?

I've read about bacterial warfare some 30 years ago but not viral.... avid fan of Startreck etc.

According to the Candians and Chinese now say the incubation period is 24 days in some individuals ... people are only quarantined for 14 days

Also it has been found that there were cases where recovered patients showed traces of the virus through nucleic acide tests.

There were also results in Canada where swabs taken from two people who had recovered revealed they still had traces of the virus.

That means they are still contagious ???

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Is he talking about packaged food from China? I only eat wholefoods and always have a stock of grains etc. but fresh fruit and veggies I buy once a week, we do have some frozen fruit but that's about it other than what I can get from the garden, oh well, can always eat the weeds which many are highly nutrititous.