Hair help PLEASE

I did a very silly thing and  thought I would have a go at "foils" SO my hair being mid brown, I thought I would put a few darker streaks through it with the foils.

What did it turn out like? Well may you ask (I sound like Gough Whitlam) it is awful! as all the pieces through the foils have gone jet black. I hate it.

Yes I have Googled and used a couple of things, but all I now have is the hair still the same, squeeky clean, and a shiny face lol. Not the end of the world of course, as it is such a minor thing in the big scheme of life.

Anyone got a "no fail recipe" I could use at home please, as we have an appointment on Monday where I need to look a bit smart :) of course if I cannot fix it, will go to the hairdressor next week.

Hopeful Phyl.

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Phyl just leave your hair the as natural colour you don't want to look as mutton done up like lamb

What do you think of bright blue/green streaks jessej? :))))))

And one pink and a purple streak. :) Come on Jessej  buy at least one coloured can of spray tomorrow.

psst and go shopping at the friendly store >>Aldi and if you are looking for a friendly bloke you would wow him.

Robi

The advise has been given to me by my oncologist------- not much good employing a specialist unless one is going to follow their advice.

You will find more info

http://www.webmd.com/beauty/hair-color/20040126/hair-dye-linked-to-blood-cancer?page=2

The research carried out for the dye companies, I sure would not put my faith in them.

Look at our Heart Foundation ticks are given to foods which are unhealthy

How long did it take before smokng became linked to cancer ? Yet I know people that smoke that are over 100 years of age.

At the end of it depends whether you are susceptible and if you do not mind taking a risk. It seems to be the Permanent hair colouring that has the carcinogenic substance in it called 4-ABP.I suppose different brands would have smaller and larger amounts of carcinogens in them.

http://www.thenaturalrecoveryplan.com/articles/Whats-in-Hair-Dye.html

Abby, my mother- in-law has been dying her hair without foils for at least 40 years. She used dark permanent dyes. She is now 90 and incredibly healthy. Ok maybe she has been lucky but if someone uses foils whereby the dye does not touch the scalp I cannot believe that there would be a danger.

Ps. I don't think the USA Cancer Council is employed by the dye companies. Look them up for the results of research they put their faith in.

As said the Heart Foundation gives ticks which would have to be given for donations and some smokers get cancer others not maybe if youve had cancer previouslu it is best not to tempt fate.

Same as you find with the hormone treatment for menapausal women - you feel great whilst on the hormones but  it does give you a greater cancer risk.

Temporary dyes: These dyes cover the surface of the hair but don’t penetrate into the hair shaft. They generally last for 1 to 2 washings.Semi-permanent dyes: These dyes do penetrate into the hair shaft. They typically last for 5 to 10 washings.Permanent (oxidative) hair dyes: These dyes cause lasting chemical changes in the hair shaft. They are the most popular types of hair dyes, because the color changes last until the hair is replaced by new growth. These dyes are sometimes referred to as coal-tar dyes because of some of the ingredients in them. They contain colorless substances such as aromatic amines and phenols. In the presence of hydrogen peroxide, these substances go through chemical reactions to become dyes. Darker hair dyes tend to use more of these coloring agents.

Concern about cancer risk is largely limited to the semi-permanent and permanent dyes. Because darker dyes have more of some chemicals that may cause cancer, these products are of greatest potential concern.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/hair-dyes

This is interesting, I've always believed that you are  susceptible to cancers or you are not, the thing that I'm looking at here is..... if the hair is dead and can't absorb hair dye, why then do we spend so much money on conditioners which advertise how well they soak into the folicle and down to the rootes....... or is it as I've always suspected, just makes a slippery surface of the hair and makes it feel soft....... just asking miind, I don't bother with dying my hair, I don't have the time nor the inclination.... what you see is what you get with me...lol

Not sure how conditioners work Deanna but when applied they are absorbed by the scalp as are shampoos. Thus chemicals in their make up would be absorbed by the body. When dye is applied to hair via foils it does not touch the scalp and is absorbed only by hair that is dead tissue. It cannot be absorbed by the body. The people most at risk by hair dye, if in fact any risk exists, is hairdressers who are continually breathing in their chemicals (along with other chemicals). Even so the risk to hairdressers has proven to be very slight.

Robi

Even if you use foils. the carcinogen in the dye is on your head ?

Cannot understand how you feel it does not touch your scalp - it does not magically go inert ? 

Perhaps Micha a chemical engineer

could be of assistance of how it works ???

Don't know Abby but perhaps it is inert. Most foil dye jobs sit on the surface and the underlying hair is unaffected.

Abby here is a recent report on hair dyes from the Cancer Council of WA.

https://www.cancerwa.asn.au/resources/cancermyths/hair-dyes-myth/

A study conducted in Sweden of more than 45,000 hairdressers found no increase in the incidence of bladder cancers for hairdressers in recent decades. Researchers concluded that modern dyes were not linked with bladder cancer. The incidence of other cancers linked to hair dye also dropped consistently until, in the 1990-1998 period, it was no longer statistically significant.3

In 2008, IARC released an updated report which found that occupational exposure to hair dye (hairdressers and barbers) was probably carcinogenic; however there was inadequate evidence to suggest personal use was carcinogenic.4

Summary

These studies should give reassurance that the link between using modern hair dyes
and cancer are, at most, very minimal.5 People who colour their hair are unlikely to have
an increased risk of cancer, even if they have been colouring their hair regularly for
many years. If you are still concerned, ensure that you colour your hair in a well
ventilated room or salon, so as to minimise exposure to the fumes from hair dyes.
Otherwise, embrace your natural colour.

Like Robi says and on the advice of my dermatologist and altho' highly allergic to paraphenaline diamines used in hair dyes by using foils or a cap I can have colour added because the active dye is never in actual contact with my skin only with "dead" hair.

Robi those spray on dyes really grab the hair, my g.daughter used my brush to brush Peonie Pink through her hair (which she should bever have done) Peonie Pink is really not my colour.

BIG WELCOME BACK VIV :))))

GOOD TO SEE YOU AND PHYL BACK TOO ROBI. :))))

Thank you Viv

But I do think that I will stick with my oncologist's advice and not put substance containing carcinogens on my hair..

There is a lot of info on the internet supporting both sides as there is regarding cigs alcohol and other drugs.

There is a bit of good news which is rather amazing and that is research being carried out on by scientists on on cancer killing stem cells

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...ls--g1THFc8oLe

"The genetically engineered cells are designed to fight brain cancer without killing normal cells or harming themselves. The research, published in the journal Stem Cells, showed the technique worked on mice but it has not been replicated in humans."

So pretty soon we will all be able to be merry and do whatever as no longer we will have to suffer the archaic chemo therapy.

Thanks for all that info, I have found it very interesting as my girls colour their hair all the time and with the cancer history in our family it always has been a worry.... I also feel that the chemicals in the products today have lessened in severity as opposed to the chemicals used say a couple of decades ago.......  I have to be careful what shampoos and conditioners I use.... a good cyber friend of mine recommended Moo Goo and by gee it has been fantastic, have got half the family on it now....lol  but that's another story......  BTW Phyl, do you still use Moo Goo??????

The 12 bluey/green streaks I had put into my hair are made up of a dye that is apparently devoid of harmful chemicals. I have since seen women my age walking around with bright red streaks and purple streaks. Have also had lots of positive feedback about my blue streaks. We have a new fashion fad happening for us oldies and the new, bright dyes are supposedly pure. It's all good..... and fun!

Ha ha ha, must keep a look out for this new fashion...... I will be the one standing out in the crowd because I don't have them...lol

Robi and Vivity you are both right. The compounds in today's hair dyes are far more superior to the toxic compounds which were used in dyes decades ago and they're getting better and better as time goes on. However in a cancer patient who is in remission,it's not advisable to use dyes or anything artificial since the immune system has already taken a beating. To be even more safe, henna, vegetable dyes etc would be the way to go, but these are not long lasting.If the hairdresser uses foils (had to find  out what that meant) or the old fashioned cap with the holes and the dye does not touch the scalp then there is really no problem with today's dyes. Having said all that there is always a tiny percentage who will have adverse effects because of their genetic makeup. Some people even suffer allergies from using washing up liquid and some from the latex gloves some doctors and dentists use etc.

With regard to conditioners,unlike shampoos, they are not meant to be rubbed into the scalp. Conditioners are designed to saturate the hair about an inch or two from the ends, depending of course on the length of the hair.No real benefit is gained from saturating the whole head and rubbing into the scalp. Although hair is dead,conditioners are designed to penetrate the strands.

Cheers

 

Thanks for the explanation Micha

"However in a cancer patient who is in remission,it's not advisable to use dyes or anything artificial since the immune system has already taken a beating."

That helps explains why my oncologist recommends against use of permanent hair dye.

Seggie. Hi Phyl. Hope your hair is OK now.  Those coloured hair sprays are actually quite fun. I have given a few people the shocks of their life but thank goodness, it washes out easily. It is so good to shock the young.

Robinconda  and  Phyl   I can't stand women who change hair colour  or wear jeans

Phyl buy a wig that is ok

Oh my goodness Jesse. What will you do when you see me on the Murray River Cruise in jeans (which I wear er really often :)

Next you will say you do not like chicken Fillets lol or Botox "Heavens to Betsy" lol.

Seggie good for you. I am sure you look "a lady" whatever you do, but a streak or two in the hair makes for a bit of fun.

Seggie. Hello to everyone. A few streaks in the hair every now and again makes people laugh. A laugh is very good for the soul.  Better laughter lines than frowning ones. Coloured hair spray washes out very quickly. It usually stays in my hair for a day than it's out until the next time I decide to go mad.

I just read through this lot with a smile on my dial as when my kids were little they went to school and mums hair was one colour and a different colour  when they got home .I think I have been every colour known to man at some stage ,but gave up the dyes in 1992 ,since then I have grown fond of the colour Mother nature has given me ,not as pure silver as my Nan had but pretty close ,and happily I still seeam to have plenty of hair left and still with its natural kink so I can avoid hairdresses except for trims I hope all is back to normal for you Phyl.

What a bloody miracle - Taddy has visited us. Whoopeee  :)

Wow..... WELCOME BACK TADDY.....WELCOME BACK.... so good to see you back on here....

Taddy is going to try and be a good girl and stick around a while 

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