What do we do about climate change?
It's a complicated issue and I wouldn't have a clue. Naturally, we are all worried about our electricity bills. Why are we keeping coal fired power stations, why not go nuclear, England has done it quite successfully and we export uranium all over the world so what's wrong with it? Is there anyone out there who knows about this complex issue? What about the tax on carbon? It's a flipping nightmare!
Yes Val, I hear what you are saying, accidents have happened in the past and will happen again in the future and also storage is a huge issue that no one wants to talk about. But when I look at France, it opens my mind up to nuclear power, 80% of their power is nuclear and they export about 18% to Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Uk and Germany and their electricity costs are among the lowest in Europe. Have you ever been close to those wind turbines, they make an awful noise and the amount of power they generate is peanuts. We need to look at all options.
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toot2000, have YOU ever been close to those wind turbines, or do you
rely on the media reports of those who are anti? If you drive through a
valley just outside Palm Springs in the US, on the main Road from LA,
you drive through hundreds of the ugly things, but I have never noticed the
awful noise that you refer to. As for nuclear power, let us hope that the
Greens are not in power when Australia is attacked in the next World War,
because they will never let those awful Yanks defend us with their fowl
nuclear war ships. We are much better with those "oh so modern" &
ever so clean diesel driven relics.
You don't have far to go Innes, just go up to Stockton and park underneath it. We've travelled Australia and seen umpteen of them. Haven't you heard about people on properties complaining about the noise? Do you live under a rock?
No toot2000 I haven't been to Stockton in 20 years. Have you been to Breeza
or Spring Ridge, or Palm Springs? NO!!! Shame on you. Do you live under
a rock? If people living on properties, want to complain about them, why did
they give permission for them to be erected on their properties?
The biggest wind generating farm I have seen is at San Gorgonio near Palm
Springs. The 100's of wind generators there create electricity at a cost of
just under 5 cents per Kwh. What are you paying for your electricity? We
should let Bob Brown have his way. No wind farms, no nuclear generators &
definately no coal fired generators. Who needs refrigerators & electrical lights
anyway? What was wrong with lanterns anyway? Whoops!! Bob Brown
doesn't want us to burn fossil fuels. Vote 1 Greens in the Lower House.
He wont get the vote anyway. It will only go to Labor. Who cares what debts
Gillard owes Bob Brown? If he gets in her way, she can always stab him in the back
Innes, I think you've had a couple of glasses of red, okay its Saturday night and it's allowed but those huge wind turrbines are on adjacent properties, not on their own, that's why they are complaining. They make a horrible whoosh whoosh whoosh sound and it's horrible. And it annoys me that you keep talking about America. I know you want everyone to think that you are a well-travelled business man but give me a break, it doesn't impress me one bit, in fact it's totally boring.
No toot2000, I haven't had the red YET. Give me a few more minutes.
I didn't mention the US to impress anyone, only to say that the wind farm
there (100s)is a total monstrocity, but I didn't particularly notice any awful
noise, just the cost. I presume, from your remarks, that it is only the people
on the adjacent properties that complain about the noise, not the people
under them. BTW, no comment about all the other forms of unwanted
electricity generation.
It remind me of a woman I heard many years ago, who rang John Laws to
complain about how we were cutting trees down in Australia. John asked
her what we would do about furniture if we didn't cut down trees. She
replied:- "Don't be stupid, we can import them"
Two years have gone by since these figures, your waste has got to be going somewhere.
As of 2008 Nuclear power in the United States is provided by 104 (69 pressurised water reactors and 35 boiling water reactors) commercial nuclear power plants licensed to operate, producing a total of 806.2 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity, which was 19.6% of the nation's total electric energy consumption in 2008. The United States is the world's largest supplier of commercial nuclear power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_States
Apparently it is scattered throughout the US. Our plan to build the Yucca Mountain safe place has been stalled by our present government. We have a bunch of air headed politicians playing with something as dangerous as nuclear waste..
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2010/07/20/1534362/administration-has-it-wrong-on.html
POSTED: Friday, Jul. 23, 2010
Administration has it wrong on nuclear waste, Hanford
WALLA WALLA UNION-BULLETIN - THE BELLINGHAM HERALD
President Obama's Commission on America's Nuclear Future spent two days at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation last week touring the site and taking testimony from local advocacy groups and American Indian tribes about the importance of nuclear waste cleanup.
Commission members also got an earful from Gov. Chris Gregoire. Let's hope commission members take seriously what she had to say.
Gregoire made it clear she disagrees with Obama's decision to permanently remove from consideration Yucca Mountain as the nation's nuclear waste repository.
The U.S. Energy Department has spent 25 years - and $10 billion - developing plans to bury at least 77,000 tons of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel in the Nevada mountain.
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Currently nuclear waste generated in the U.S. is stored at or near one of the many facilities across the country where it is generated.
Nevadans are against having the waste dumped in their backyard which is prone to earthquakes.
It seems at this stage there is no real safe way of waste disposal.
Just use the waves to generate power,wind power only works when there is wind and solar only works when the sun shines,so just use coal or gas for power
jessej
Currently nuclear waste generated in the U.S. is stored at or near one of the many facilities across the country where it is generated.
Nevadans are against having the waste dumped in their backyard which is prone to earthquakes.
It seems at this stage there is no real safe way of waste disposal.
I would say that the people in Nevada should have objected 25 years and $10 billion dollars ago. Why was everything shown on TV, about the size and moneys spent and it was ready for installing the nuclear waste before this particular government came in and changed the mission. I would guess that it is the work of Harry Reid, the Senate leader from Nevada. It looks like he may just get beat in the coming election. I certainly hope he does as the Senate needs a new leader.
I think I called the government folks to be a bunch of air heads. Both parties involved in this air head problem of theirs.
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LIBERAL PARTY POLICY ON CLIMATE CHANGE
QUESTION by Fiona Scott:
Mr Abbott, on the 20th of May Joe Hockey said inevitably we’ll have a price on carbon, we’ll have to. Do you agree with that comment? It appears not.
TONY ABBOTT:
I think it is very, very unlikely that India and China will deny themselves the means of improving their standard of living. In order to raise their standards of living, they are inevitably going to become much bigger users of energy over time and the idea that they are going to deny themselves the kind of standard of living that other countries enjoy, it’s just not very plausible and it’s not going to happen any time soon.
QUESTION:
Last week the Climate Institute found that dithering and indecision and uncertainty on the ETS was in fact forcing the price of electricity up. What would you do to end the speculation to keep a lid on prices?
TONY ABBOTT:
Well, I say that you can be certain under a Coalition government that there will be no carbon price imposed on consumers. That’s what I say. The other thing I say is that the Climate Institute actually said that the Coalition had a better policy on this because we actually have a policy to reduce emissions by five per cent by 2020 but we can do it without imposing higher costs on consumers. That’s the whole point of our policy, to improve the environment without destroying the economy, to improve the environment without slugging consumers with a great big new tax.
QUESTION:
Do you still believe climate change is absolute crap?
TONY ABBOTT:
The issue is not climate change, the issue is how you deal with it. We’ve got a policy to deal with climate change; the Government doesn’t.
LABOR PARTY POLICY ON CLIMATE CHANGE
A re-elected Labor government would ask a new "citizens' assembly" for climate change advice, under a key part of the ALP's new climate change policy set to be launched by Prime Minister Julia Gillard today.
The ABC understands Ms Gillard will outline plans to set up a committee of scientists to advise the Government on climate change. The committee will be paired with a citizens' assembly, consisting of 100-200 volunteers who will gauge feeling of the community on its attitude towards putting a price on carbon, and feed it back to the Government.
We already have nearly 200 federal politicians that we elected & pay a
lot of money for, to run our great Country. I think a citizens assembly
is a great idea, if it is going to REPLACE the elected Government. If
not, for God's sake get on with it. Thats what they are being paid for.
I for one don't understand the GW debate / Carbon Credit--I doubt many do--