The Problems with Race

How the world changes. Next year, white newborn babies will become a minority in the US. According to census figures, non-white births, including Hispanics, made up 48 per cent of children born in America between July 2008 and 2009. Hard to believe that there will be more minority births than white births of European ancestry. Even in the recession, minority group birth rates were still quite high.

One of my favourite tv shows is the UK version of Donald Trump's 'The Apprentice' with Sir Alan Sugar. The racial mix is interesting. It's rather heartening to see so many young people of different colours and backgrounds, doing so well in their careers, that they are approached to appear on the show. But Britain also has its problems. The pressure of immigration and rising birth rates fuelled by the new arrivals is having an impact and in London, four in ten young people are members of ethnic minorities.
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We are so lucky in Australia- we share no borders with anyone and I feel sorry for the Americans and their border problems. The changing make-up of the population has caused deep resentment. It is now an offence In Arizona to be an illegal immigrant and police have the power to stop and search anybody they suspect is not from the US. Among Hispanics, there were around nine births for one death compared to one-on-one ratio for whites. Add to that the fact that the median age of the white population is older than that of non-whites so a larger share of minority women are in prime child-bearing years.

Would you say Aussies suffer from Xenophobia? I would, me included.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1285856/White-newborn-babies-set-minority-U-S-year.html#ixzz0qaejwcaZ

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toot2000, a small correction to your post.



[color=blue]It is now an offence In Arizona to be an illegal immigrant and police have the power to stop and search anybody they suspect is not from the US.[/color]



It is a crime anywhere in the US to be an illegal immigrant. Crossing our borders without permission is the crime that gives them the title of illegal immigrant.



Arizona did not write special laws to designate them as such. Those laws are already on the federal books. Since the feds are not enforcing the laws Arizona wrote similar laws so the state can enforce them. That the state can then, while investigating some other reason for talking with people, like a speeding charge, they can also try to determine if they are legals or not. Just by asking for a drivers license of ID card. The police can not just randomly stop folks to investigate their immigrant status. It has to be in conjunction with other police investigations. On the federal books are requirements for all immigrants to carry their cards and/or papers all the time. So Arizona's laws are not new or discriminating.

The state of Arizona recently enacted a law which made it an offence to be an illegal immigrant and allowed police to stop and search anybody they thought did not look like they were from the US.



Other laws passed by the state, which were roundly condemned for being discriminatory, required teachers to not have an overly thick accent.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1285856/White-newborn-babies-set-minority-U-S-year.html#ixzz0qbBnwnRG

Hey Toot don't know where you live but the big cities of this country are not far behind the USA or UK or France, Italy, Holland and other European countries with an invasion of migrants from third world countries whose biggest exports are people as they pop them out faster than the civilized countries.



UN has said that by 2040 there will be a white minority in Australia and the way they are bringing in so many overseas folk who are not all white and the fact some can take 4 wives + have 4 kids a year and get a house for each wife and a wife pension for first one and the single pension for the other 3 means that Muslims will come here as the Koran says they can only have 4 if they can keep them but as Centrelink does that - fine plus we pay them $5000 a baby and that is a nice little earner - so I expect in the case of Oz - the UN are on target. Other incoming refugees who are catholic also have larger families but are limited to one wife so not that many {unfortunately}.



within the world the whites are now in minority and it is our own fault for having too few children and having a life style that others want to share in but not necessarily wanting for work for it.



Plus we have been manipulated by political correctness. Women encouraged to take on a career that usually was filled by men and this has added to less children and problems with nuclear family. This is one of the early teachings for girls in school today - that women must take their equal place in society and not be subservient but take a job a man does - meaning today a heap of woman wear themselves out trying to do both the normal nurturing and household duties and a full time career.



Or worry themselves sick that their kids are not getting the upbringing they should as not home for them etc.



Whatever, we are not only overpopulated here with shortages of water which is the biggest worry, as our farmers are being starved of water to grow our food , but housing and all services due to too many migrants coming in and overwhelming the whole systems and transport and city life becoming too crowded all in the name of profit and greedy business owners who just want to grow and grow and grow with no thought for the country's resources being unable to cope with millions more - scientists said back in 70's the country can cope with 12 million on its water. Here now we are up to 22 million and water is the biggest worry and we see the rivers are in bad state due to shortages and arable land going under housing.



Also maybe the USA does not have the draconian race laws we do which make everyone who's a non white superior in rights to a white. BY making the person explain to a discrimination panel why they didnt give the job to a non white or some such - and they can advertise for non whites but not for whites only etc etc etc. Can have Black Police organisation but not a white police organisation etc etc.

They do have affirmative action which has spread here and is used to just another draconian law.



Australia has quota's which is affirmative action and an example is for women doctor places, have to have 55% for women, and then they marry and work part time or not at all and we are short of doctors.

My own doctor wife is also a doctor and same as his partner, both are stay at home mums now and their husbands struggle to find overseas doctors to work in the rural areas. Pc in action!

Val, I'm not convinced we'll be over-run with Muslims claiming multiple wives.



Centrelink has confirmed it has investigated up to 20 cases of multiple relationships, including polygamy, in the past two years. It has forced some families to pay money back. Polygamy is illegal in Australia, but a Centrelink spokeswoman said it was not the welfare agency's job to police polygamy laws. "It's not our concern if they are a member of a polygamist relationship," the spokeswoman said. "It (polygamy) was a minority but it's certainly a growing minority because Muslim men realised it was possible to get away with it," she said. Muslim men who took more than one wife and relied on Centrelink payments to support their families were not following Islamic law, which dictated they could only take multiple wives if they could afford it. What these men are doing is exploiting Islam and they are exploiting the system in Australia," she said.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/growing-number-of-muslim-men-and-multiple-wives-exploiting-loophoole-for-taxpayer-handouts/story-e6frf7jo-1225837150560

The state of Arizona recently enacted a law which made it an offence to be an illegal immigrant and allowed police to stop and search anybody they thought did not look like they were from the US.



Other laws passed by the state, which were roundly condemned for being discriminatory, required teachers to not have an overly thick accent.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1285856/White-newborn-babies-set-minority-U-S-year.html#ixzz0qbBnwnRG



I don't think you read my previous post so I will say it again. And add some more.



[color=blue]toot2000, a small correction to your post.[/color]



[color=red]It is now an offence In Arizona to be an illegal immigrant and police have the power to stop and search anybody they suspect is not from the US.[/color]



[color=blue]It is a crime anywhere in the US to be an illegal immigrant. Crossing our borders without permission is the crime that gives them the title of illegal immigrant.



Arizona did not write special laws to designate them as such. Those laws are already on the federal books. Since the feds are not enforcing the laws Arizona wrote similar laws so the state can enforce them. That the state can then, while investigating some other reason for talking with people, like a speeding charge, they can also try to determine if they are legals or not. Just by asking for a drivers license of ID card. The police can not just randomly stop folks to investigate their immigrant status. It has to be in conjunction with other police investigations. On the federal books are requirements for all immigrants to carry their cards and/or papers all the time. So Arizona’s laws are not new or discriminating.

Posted: 12 June 2010 11:14 AM[/color]

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People in the US do not think enforcing our laws is wrong.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/06/01/2010-06-01_poll_more_americans_want_arizonastyle_antiillegal_immigration_law_for_their_stat.html





Poll: More Americans want Arizona-style anti-illegal immigration law for their state



By Michael Sheridan

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER



Tuesday, June 1st 2010, 1:51 PM

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http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf



Please read on page 2, line 20 item B.



Then tell me where there is a comment that specifies race, country of origin, or any other item that says go get the Mexican. It is all about legality of residence. I could get stopped myself and then be asked for my identity. In any state in the US. If I were Irish and could not prove my reasons for being here I would then be sent back to Ireland.



The link you provided only takes me to the white will be minority soon article.

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Now to further illustrate that the Arizona law does not allow profiling and racist activities we have the following.



http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/30/20100430arizona-immigration-law-governor-signs-revised-bill.html



Arizona governor signs bill revising new immigration law



184 comments by Casey Newton and Ginger Rough - May. 1, 2010 12:00 AM

The Arizona Republic



Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed a bill modifying Arizona's controversial new immigration law, saying it will "make it crystal clear and undeniable that racial profiling is illegal."



The governor's signature on House Bill 2162 modifies a measure signed into law by Brewer last week that requires police to inquire about the immigration status of anyone they reasonably suspect to be in the country illegally. Barring a successful legal challenge, the law goes into effect July 29.



HB 2162 bars race from being considered when deciding whether to inquire about a person's status, "except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution."



The bill also clarifies that law-enforcement officers shall inquire about the immigration status only of those they "stop, detain or arrest." The earlier bill simply said "contact." The change is designed to allay fears that officers would have to examine the papers of anyone they spoke to, including crime victims and witnesses.

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If you want to read the actual bill, this is it.



http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2162c.htm



State of Arizona



House of Representatives



Forty-ninth Legislature



Second Regular Session



2010



HOUSE BILL 2162

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Val, I'm not convinced we'll be over-run with Muslims claiming multiple wives.



[color=red]I didn't state we were being overrun by Muslims claiming multiple wives - just mentioned it is part of their culture that they do have more than one and that Centrelink does accommodate them by paying the right rate to each person and one wife payment only.



I implied we have more people coming in from all races than our water can handle in reality. and I am not alone in this - many are querying Rudd and his 36 million which is a good thing as woke us all up to the problem of water and its shortages etc. [/color]



Centrelink has confirmed it has investigated up to 20 cases of multiple relationships, including polygamy, in the past two years. It has forced some families to pay money back. Polygamy is illegal in Australia, but a Centrelink spokeswoman said it was not the welfare agency's job to police polygamy laws. "It's not our concern if they are a member of a polygamist relationship," the spokeswoman said.[color=blue] We look at whether they are receiving the correct rate of payment. We treat each couple independently.

But Islamic Women's Welfare Council of Victoria director J El Matrah said some men are exploiting Australia[/color] "It (polygamy) was a minority but it's certainly a growing minority because Muslim men realised it was possible to get away with it," she said. Muslim men who took more than one wife and relied on Centrelink payments to support their families were not following Islamic law, which dictated they could only take multiple wives if they could afford it. What these men are doing is exploiting Islam and they are exploiting the system in Australia," she said.

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A 2008 report by the women's group found Centrelink payments had encouraged polygamy in a small section of the Islamic community.



"Community workers who have provided support to women whose husbands took another wife religiously, said that women blame the availability of Centrelink benefits ... since one or the other wife will be claiming it, relieving the husband of the responsibility of supporting two families," the report stated.



Centrelink general manager Hank Jongen admitted the agency was making payments to people in multiple-couple relationships.



"There's nothing preventing them from being in more than one 'member of a couple' relationship at a time," he said. "In these cases, Centrelink pays each person the relevant income-tested payment at the partnered rate."Some Muslim men have married several wives in their country of origin or at local mosques so they are not recognised under Australian law by state-based births, deaths and marriage registries.



Islamic Friendship Association of Australia president Keysar Trad said he believed "not many more than 50" Muslim families in Australia were polygamist. But he said he also knew of non-Muslim men who had more than one de facto wife who claimed Centrelink payments.



Mr Trad agreed only those who could afford a second wife, without reliance on Centrelink, should marry more than one woman.



"Marriage, whether they are single or plural, I believe in the old adage, they are made in heaven," he said.

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/growing-number-of-muslim-men-and-multiple-wives-exploiting-loophoole-for-taxpayer-handouts/story-e6frf7jo-1225837150560



Toot - blue adds the bits you left out which like many media reports - without altered the context of the piece which is that Muslim men do rort the system of our welfare and the women who are [b]not wife no 1 and recognised by Centrelink[/b] do get paid a single parent pension or single unemployed benefit as I said.



Centrelink is only interested in the right rate of benefit being paid rather than the legal status of anyone. 2 people living together are a couple = legal or defacto and they dont seemingly check. They rely on the public to inform them of rorts and dont tell who dobbed them in either or no one would dob!



And Hank was on the TV some years back saying same thing about a Muslim man who borrowed money to start a business and at the same time had 5 public housing houses 4 with his wives and kids and 1 for himself and all were drawing benefits and he hadn't declared the business to Centrelink but he got dobbed in by someone fed up with the rorting of his taxes.

He said the women were 3 on single mothers and 1 on couples unemployment and he would be bringing charges to get some of the money back - from the bloke not the wife or the 3 others as they keep it as legal status.

Yes Val you are right, Trad said there are about 50 Muslim men with more than 1 wife and that is 50 too many, why on earth they let them into the country with multiple wives is beyond me.

Yes Val you are right, Trad said there are about 50 Muslim men with more than 1 wife and that is 50 too many, why on earth they let them into the country with multiple wives is beyond me.

Easy..........Gutless Government and Pollies.

I used to work in Parramatta and it's spot the Aussie there now.

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