Seth I think I preferred you when asking for a slapper, slopper, slacker or what the hell its called, compared to the current bile you are dribbling



Get a life sunshine.



Gee, thanks tanwin, for that intelligent advice, It must be the liberal in you

that brings out your attempt at being insulting, it was a good try, keep it up,

I like a good laugh.

Now You can go back to 'Your self indulging dribbling' seth.

So go ahead and be an idiot and vote Labor back. If you are on a pension - enjoy being taken down to the dole as is the intention.



That is a lie, written by a desperate lib supporter.

It is BS.

Scare tactics as usual. What BigVal does not say is that this was rejected by the government.

Why does she not say that ?

Because it would ruin her argument,



most of the above posters are worried sick that Labor will be ousted at the next election



Let us wait and see as at the moment Labor is in charge and obviously that hurts people like BigVal who does not seem able to grasp the fact that the voters decide who is in government - not BigVal.



I just think most will vote for their hip pocket and bring back the Coalition who can at least manage our money and put our pensions up



HAhA, I am much better off with my pension than when Howard had trouble remembering that pensioners were on the planet.



Not much use replying to the rest of that crazy post which went on about who was sleeping with who and what happened somewhere else in the world, except to say that BigVal's fav libs in UK have upped the VAT to 20% , same as the Libs who gave us the GST will increase it if they were to get in.



also gave us the various allowances including a GST allowance



I nearly wet myself laughing at that comment. What BigVal forgot to say was that Howard also gave us that extra BIG TAX the GST.

Let us wait and see as at the moment Labor is in charge and obviously that hurts people



HAhA, I am much better off with my pension than when Howard had trouble remembering that pensioners were on the planet.



I nearly wet myself laughing at that comment. What BigVal forgot to say was that Howard also gave us that extra BIG TAX the GST.



I agree, why not wait and see how the first female prime minister

will handle this important position, or is the opinion that a women

cannot cope

I hope we can all face the fact that there has been real idiot leaders

on all sides of politics and at least we can give her a chance before

resorting back to sniping. seth.

Howard did NOT give us GST, he introduced GST and removed a ridiculous SALES TAX which had thousands of variables. Then along comes Krudd and dictates to State Governments that he is taking some of their GST, supposedly to fund a new hospital system, even after being told by people with brains that his new system will not work.

Labor ruins the country because Labor voters cannot fully understand the workings of the LABOR MACHINE.

Then along comes Krudd and dictates to State Governments that he is taking some of their GST

Correct, Gizmo. And of course, Rudd was the one who said it was "[i]fundamental injustice day[/i]" when GST was introduced.

Plus Howard went to an election with the GST on the table, and won.



But these things have been brought up on this forum many times, Gizmo, along with a few other things I see in the two Abbott threads. But try and tell the truth or present facts......see my illustration below. [color=purple]Click on the picture to enlarge it.[/color]

Feel free to snipe at Abbott.



But hey, no sniping at Gillard.....oh no, no, no goodness gracious me.. no.



Considering Ms Gillard has been around Parliament since 1998, I believe we've had a decent period of time to know her, and therefore make some assessments and judgments of her character.

For example, her time working for the Socialist Forum.



By the way, I'd be watching my back alright if I was her. That knife in Rudd's back has Wayne Swan's fingerprints all over it. All the other Party members looked solemn after the assassination, except Swan, who had a hard time stopping himself from grinning. Ugh!

I guess all the Lib voters were getting a scent of victory with the polls going the way they were, then all of a sudden things changed and the scent disappeared.

The ones that organised the change of leader knew what they were doing, and it worked.



Now the Libs are talking about a knife in Rudd's back - Why ?

Because they sense the mood has changed and a potential victory at the big poll is slipping away.

They seem to forget about the Howard Costello in fighting, about Turnbull getting the leaders job only to be rolled by Abbott by a single vote, but of course that had no back stabbing, did it ?

Of course there is back-stabbing in ALL politics, as there is in private business, but, as I keep having to repeat myself, LABOR emptied the POT OF GOLD which was left by the Liberal Government, and you can bet your last dollar on the fact that if Labor are re-elected there will be more 'stuff-ups' and belt tightening and crucifixion of taxpayers to pay our MASSIVE DEBT, then Liberal will win the following election.

Repeating, once again, History dictates the future.

They seem to forget about the Howard Costello in fighting, about Turnbull getting the leaders job only to be rolled by Abbott by a single vote, but of course that had no back stabbing, did it ?



One major difference....It wasn't a bunch of faceless people who decided the Coalition leadership, ever. The leadership was and is decided by elected MP's.

Nobody expects that there will not be battles fought. It's democracy.

Another major difference is that no leader of the Coalition has been stabbed in the back while incumbent.

It's strange that those who have staunchly defended Rudd and his policies for the last 2 and a half years, seemingly are not in the least disturbed by his ousting, but are more concerned with the opposition.

Of course there is back-stabbing in ALL politics, as there is in private business, but, as I keep having to repeat myself, LABOR emptied the POT OF GOLD which was left by the Liberal Government, and you can bet your last dollar on the fact that if Labor are re-elected there will be more 'stuff-ups' and belt tightening and crucifixion of taxpayers to pay our MASSIVE DEBT, then Liberal will win the following election.

Repeating, once again, History dictates the future.



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If Labor hadn't spent the money we would have been in big trouble.

What about the fiasco, sure some years back now, of Mr. Howard

and Mr. Peacock with their "You take the lead"

"no you take the lead"

good heavens it was an embarrassament for all Australians

and it went on for a long time.

.

So true Jane the money spent was money well spent and

saved our bacon - people may not love Labour but give credit where credit is due

similar to America helping us all those years ago otherwise we probably

would be under Japanese rules and Australia a very different place

to live.

I just read this article and I get the impression that us old age pensioners are pretty low on Tony Abbott's agenda. It's a bit hard to understand but read the whole article and tell me what you think. I'll be voting for whoever gives the oldies the best deal that's for sure and I don't care if they've got two heads. Come on you bright sparks, what does Tony really think about old olds?



[i]Not for one second do I begrudge the pensioners of Australia, particularly the single age pensioners of Australia, this increase in their money. But it is one thing to make this promise when the budget surplus was thought, when Dr Nelson did this, to be in the order of $20 billion. It is quite another to deliver on this commitment with a budget deficit in the order of $30 billion, as it was when the government finally made the commitment. The pensioners of Australia thoroughly deserve this money, let me make that crystal clear, but the extra $3 billion a year plus that these changes will cost when fully implemented will have to be paid for every year into the future, and there is certainly no provision whatsoever in this budget for the kinds of savings measures, extra revenue measures and additional productivity measures that our country will need in order to make these additional payments as affordable as they should be. In fact, far from giving us the kind of productive economy that would make these extra payments easily affordable, the government has gone backwards by re-regulating the labour market and by proposing a giant carbon tax that would cascade through every aspect of our economy.



Let me say this: paying pensioners more is not a reform; it is just a change. Paying single pensioners 66 per cent of the married rate is a structural change. It is still not a reform, although it is a structural change, but again let me say that it is one that has been forced on this government by Dr Brendan Nelson, the member for Bradfield. The only real reform in the package that has been re-announced today is the government’s decision to raise the pension age, by slow steps, from 65 to 67. I am not for a second saying that that is bad policy. It is good policy. It is such good policy that I have said that the government should go further faster. But it would only have been a courageous reform, as opposed to a rather sneaky by-the-back-door reform, if the government had had the guts to say that that was its policy before the election rather than springing it, as it has done, on the general public after the election.



http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/Pages/article.aspx?ID=3785[/i]

Sounds like Tony Abbott wants to stick the knife in while

not making enemies.

A thing is either good or bad isn't it.....

Cannot have it both ways.

Poor buggar though cannot manage his finances with his large salary

maybe pensioners could pass the hat :)

.

Will Tony Abbott wait until he is 67 to receive His (much larger pension)

Hope so. Politicians should not have one rule for themselves and one

for all other Australians. Talk is cheap. Do the hard yards and see

what it is like to "need to be very careful in the later years"

I personally think many many people over 65 would find it difficult

to keep working full time in many areas of their work.until 67.

Phyl.

I just read this article and I get the impression that us old age pensioners are pretty low on Tony Abbott's agenda. It's a bit hard to understand but read the whole article and tell me what you think. I'll be voting for whoever gives the oldies the best deal that's for sure and I don't care if they've got two heads. Come on you bright sparks, what does Tony really think about old olds?



It is history and known by all that the Howard government fought against

every attempt at a wage increase for the lowest paid, now out of power like tony who

wants more taxpayers money.

Now Tony appears to be a typical aussie larrikin on the surface, which is appealing

to those who see no deeper,

IMO. Tony suffers from a psychosis of hatred with anything that has the word 'union'

in it, as per students union at the university, which he was behind dismantling after so

many years of the 'union' helping students. no doubt the blind supporters or anti unionists

will come out of their dank dungeons baying like coyotes now.

I know some unions went crazy with demands and deserved retribution, but why throw

the baby out with the bathwater, It doesn't matter what you do for a living along the way

you would have profited from what the unions have achieved against so much opposition.



I wandered away from the question, what does Tony really think of the oldies?

Tony will now lie and denigrate, snuggle up to anything that he thinks will earn a vote.

even making promises to babies, as well as the oldies. {scripted of course.} seth.

have a hate campaign that fits in with his dark side. seth.



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Come on you bright sparks, what does Tony really think about old olds?



He is saying it is good for the pensioners to get a rise.

This sounds good for the pensioner vote.

But he is saying that he would not do it if elected.

He would raise the GST making it harder for pensioners and go back to the old days when pensioners did not get a mention in budgets.