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America thinks the unthinkable: More than half of Trump voters and 41% of Biden supporters want red and blue states to SECEDE from one another and form two new countries, shock new poll finds 

More than HALF of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union

Many breathed a sigh of relief when President Biden was elected, not for policy but for a reunification of the country after four years of tumult and fiery division under President Trump. But eight months into the new presidency, America's deep disunity shows no signs of letting up. A new poll has revealed that political divisions run so deep in the US that over half of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off. According to the poll from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat agree with the statement: 'The situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country.' Twenty-five percent of Trump voters strongly agree.

What do you think about Australia doing the same?

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America thinks the unthinkable: More than half of Trump voters and 41% of Biden supporters want red and blue states to SECEDE from one another and form two new countries, shock new poll finds 

More than HALF of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union

Many breathed a sigh of relief when President Biden was elected, not for policy but for a reunification of the country after four years of tumult and fiery division under President Trump. But eight months into the new presidency, America's deep disunity shows no signs of letting up. A new poll has revealed that political divisions run so deep in the US that over half of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union, and 41% of Biden voters want blue states to split off. According to the poll from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat agree with the statement: 'The situation is such that I would favor [Blue/Red] states seceding from the union to form their own separate country.' Twenty-five percent of Trump voters strongly agree.

 

Yes, the Federal Government is too prescriptive

As a Tasmanian, I am very happy to keep getting $1.80 for every $1 of GST, that federation provides.  As for the NT with $6+..  Even WA, with it's boom or bust economy requires help from other states at times.  (Mind you, they once voted to secede.)  Much better together than apart as per pre-1901.

 

Given the choice I would cut off unsustainable city-states and amalgamate Vic/Tas, ACT/NSW, SA/NT. While at it I would invite NZ to join the Commonwealth as originally intended. Easy to keep WA in the fold, if seceding then charge them for all federal services. They will model the costs and quickly pull their sun-bleached heads in and get back in line.

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Suze -  Couldn't have said it better myself. 

It's very little wonder ( when you really, honestly, dig down deep enough ) to discover " why " the USA's the basket case it now is. Biden's disastrous record since he took the White House, shouts volumes from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave's rooftop.. 

1): Decades long - USA Federal Politicians - think Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, Maxine Waters, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney & others, either Democrat or Republican Party, have become so blinded to what really needs be done for the betterment of the entire Country.  They have become fixated on the perks, lurks & privileges that corrupt such " long-term " pollies, because they've become so accustomed to enjoying them.

2): The imposition of strict Term Limits - no more than 3 consecutive Representative Terms. Then they're out " for good " is what's critically essential. That will give them far more impetus to do what's right " For The People "; because they know they are strictly subject to a  (permanent use by date)!

Re - seceding: It's no wonder Red States want to, cause in the US, there's enough historical evidence that " Red States - i.e. strongly conservative " have/enjoy more robust economies across the board, because they apply & maintain much lower taxation levels, are better at simpler overall fiscal management & have far less onerous Government red tape / regulation burdening their citizens, which in turn enables individuals & businesses to thrive which therefore by default, invigorates GDP growth & ultimately increases State Revenue.

On the flip side; Blue States - Democrat - socialist leaning . . . impose higher taxes regardless , often outrageously so, do not invest in State " physical infrastructure " either new or maintenance-wise, create incomprehensible / unworkable red tape & routinely oppress their citizens so that the so-called " privileged few " can have whatever they cravenly covet.

The flip side is happening more & more in Australia, & it'll only stop when the majority population rises up en-mass, throws off the shackles & by majority vote, imposes strict term limits on all Australian Politicians & increases Federal Government electoral terms from 3 to 5 years, so that crucial infrastructure projects can actually " get off the drawing board " & start benefiting all Australians. 

I think the quality of our politicians is pretty appalling.  We also have far too many, what with federal and state ... and on top of that, local councils.

I would like to see a meritocracy.  Instead of politicians seeking advice from those expert in housing, transport, healthcare and education, etc and  then watering down the advice, I would prefer those most expert to actually administer those areas.

 

CraigD I think you have something mixed up here. Anyone with Socialist leanings looks to improve the lot of the less well off by having the wealthy pay a proper level of taxation. We see now in Australia some of the cost of cutting red tape with, as an example, the relaxation of building regulations. People who bought the buildings are then lumbered with, in some cases, huge costs to repair the defects from dodgy building practices.

The so-called "Red States" have, on average, less well educated citizens performing lower paid jobs. The top end of town in those States are doing really nicely thank you. A read of history from say around the end of the French Revolution you will see that Conservative Party's exist to maintain the status quo and preserve the entitlements of the wealthy. That is not a socialist statement but a fact. 

The problem with the U.S. is their political system is a mess and has been for years, irrespective who is in power. They have a very high level of poverty for what is supposed to be the richest country in the World and that can be traced back to the very high level of inequality that prevails across the country.

Trump is not a saviour but is a symptom of what is wrong with the U.S.   

Axel, worth keeping in mind subject matter experts are rarely great administrators – be careful what you wish for. 

Axel thinks pen pushers would be better at running the country. 

Experts in theory, no business sense whatever.

How about we dump State Governments and instead elect Large local councils with people who live in the area are elected and non of this parachuting people in by various parties.   I would be in favour of Federal Government taking over the running the hospitals,  Police Forces and other Emergency Services,  roads,  rail,  Electricity etc   A lot of the time State Governments just duplicate what the Federal governments do.   As far as seceding from the Commonwealth of Australia it would make us a poorer country and I don't mean wealth wise.   As far as asking New Zealand to join Australia they were asked before Federation but said no.   I also say increase the time between Elections 3 years is not long enough to get into place policies that parties go to elections on 5 years is a reasonable time.   Also no person in Government is allowed to serve more than 3 terms and at the end is not allowed to obtain any government job for 5 years or join any company applying for government  contracts.   No Politician is allowed to get their Super before any other person in Australia.   Cut the public service and get rid of lobbyists.   Become a Republic and elect our own President who like Politicians can only serve 3 terms.

the notion of dividing Australia into 20 zones and doing away with state and local governments was looked into during the 70s. Howard later agreed but it's a wicked problem.

https://www.themandarin.com.au/74361-scrapped-states-increasing-canberras-clout-backward-step/

Vote 1 Fred for prime minister. Almost exactly what I was going to write.

Well put Fred

We are definitely overgovernored with nobody responsible for anything.

We have some very good pollies in this country. Yep some bad eggs too. Labor could not have handled the present crisis, that's for sure.

 

Interesting regards Australian Federal Election.

Stubborn premier Mark McGowan could force Scott Morrison to delay the federal election until after Easter as he refuses to open the WA border

WA Premier Mark McGowan's (pictured left) hard border closure stance could force Scott Morrison (pictured right) to delay the next federal election            

 

 

WA Premier Mark McGowan's strict border closures could force Prime Minister Scott Morrison to delay the federal election until after easter, stopping the PM from campaigning in the state.

 

Did I see someone expounding meritocracy ???

A growing body of research in psychology and neuroscience suggests that believing in meritocracy makes people more selfish, less self-critical and even more prone to acting in discriminatory ways.

The conclusion is…. meritocracy is not only wrong… it's bad!!

Putin has the West over a barrel: Fury at 'bullying' Russia for holding UK and EU to ransom over gas prices by promising more supplies IF pipeline is approved - amid warnings bills could rise by 30% while inflation soars and tax hikes loomAt the mercy of Putin: Russia flexes muscles over gas supplies

Wholesale gas prices surged to a record 400p yesterday - a 37% increase in 24 hours and 600% up on January - but dropped to around 274p today after the Russian President's intervention. A senior Government source told MailOnline today that ministers believe Russia is choking off gas supply to force EU states to approve its new Nord Stream 2 pipeline under the Baltic Sea, adding that when Russia restricts supply, global wholesale gas prices goes up. Experts now believe that the UK's energy price cap, brought in to protect the poorest households, will now rise to about £1,660 from April 1 - up from £1,277 today - and the cheapest fixed deal is now £1,800-a-year - approaching £1,000 more than 12 months ago. The pain caused by sky-high gas prices came as Britons face the biggest squeeze on their finances for more than a decade because of inflation, rising prices and looming multiple tax increases all coupled with product shortages caused by gaps in global supply chains and a lack of HGV drivers. Putin is accused of deliberately withholding gas supplies as leverage with the EU, who he wants to sign off on his new £8.1 billion Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, run by state energy Gazprom, that bypasses Ukraine. Flexing his muscles as the price of gas hit a record high, Putin sent it tumbling by £1-per-therm yesterday afternoon by saying at an energy press conference: 'Let's think through possibly increasing supply in the market, only we need to do it carefully. Settle with Gazprom and talk it over'. Tory MP Sir Iain Duncan Smith told MailOnline Russia is 'bullying' the EU and the UK should be exploiting shale gas supplies to get 'completely clear of any dependency'. Jennifer Granholm, the US secretary of energy, said the US is watching Russia 'carefully', adding: You don't want to see energy made into a weapon'.

 

had to laugh this morning when PM Morrison came out of quarantine to announce “Addressing climate change is a challenge that we must do together. We’ve got to come together on this issue. My government will come together on this issue. The country will come together on this issue and we will tackle this challenge.” His about face is laughable given his obstruction and white anting over the years then his perverted "gas led recovery". The fella from downunder must have been given a boot up his bum over climate change while in the USA.

 

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