Pfizer Jab

I want the Pfizer jab.

I am 67 years old and will not have the AstraZeneca like many others.

They will not give me the Pfizer.

Can someone tell me why older people are not allowed to have the Pfizer?

It is my body and we all should have the right to choose.

Is it because the government has bought heaps of AstraZeneca and has to get rid of it first?

Also If it was so urgent to get everyone vaccinated then why aren't vaccination stations open 24/7 and with a choice of vaccine. They would do it quickly if the death rate escalated.

 

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It always makes me laugh when people post nonsense and then claim they cannot find the link !!!

Perhaps it's because it contained this "Important Notice?

*Important notice

medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.

Anyway...here is the real information.....

“vaccine was found to be 86% effective in people aged over 60, an Israeli healthcare provider said on Wednesday, citing initial results from a study of thousands of members.”

 

it's not necessarily nonsense but selective and often without context to the extent it can mislead. For example, "effective vaccine" – does it refer to infection (as it does in this case), transmission, symptomatic, serious illness, hospitalisation or death? 

Take Morrison, Gladys and mates talking about opening up at 70% as per Doherty model – they are conspicuously silent on the 11 million  or 44% of the population that will remain vulnerable to the virus (<16 is 4.8 million, 30% of adults is 6.2 million). They neglect to qualify their statements with Doherty model assumptions such as cases will be manageable with near perfect contact tracing, a starting number of cases at 30 and adequate capacity in the health system. If these assumptions eventuate Doherty says opening should result in only 16 covid deaths in the first six months of opening and thereafter similar levels to an average flu season.

How realistic are Doherty assumptions given we already have 11,000 active cases? For comparison, Florida has 51% of population fully vaccinated (Australia opening at 56%) yet its ICU beds are 90% full and filling fast even though Florida has roughly one ICU bed per 3500 people (NSW has one per 9500). Some Florida hospitals are running low on medical oxygen. So what chance Doherty might have underestimated the likely case? A recent analysis from UWA/ANU suggest deaths nearer to 25,000. The head of Doherty yesterday admitted cases could grow into tens or hundreds of thousands. On top of this the 11 million excludes the 15% or  3.1 million of vaccinated adults that will be reinfected, so all up 14.1 million people to take chances with the virus. Fun times ahead.

The Phizer roll out in NSW is a disgrace.

Gladys took all the Phizer doses out of the rural areas and gave them to Sydney

This means that the rural areas who have a lot lower health and hospital numbers to Sydney also do not have access to the vaccine that is fully effective within 3 weeks ( plus 2 Weeks after the second jab)

 

From our friends in the USA who sent this a couple of days ago I thought people here would find this of interest.

Expert says 'the problem remains with the unvaccinated' as COVID-19 cases surge in the US NOWCAST Watch on Demand ? ? ? 86° No Alerts & Closings in Your Area  Sign Up to Get Future Alerts ? 2 / 2 ? ? TRACKING THE COVID-19 VACCINE Sign up for daily emails with local updates and other important news. SUBMIT Privacy Notice ? Your Email Address Updated: 10:21 AM EDT

Aug 1, 2021 Infinite Scroll Enabled Aya Elamroussi,

CNN With the spread of the more transmissible Delta variant continuing nationwide, the recent surge in COVID19 cases is being largely driven by swaths of people that remain unvaccinated, according to one expert. "We know that the vast majority of the spread is still by unvaccinated people.

And I think that that is the part that's been lost in the messaging from the CDC ... which is that the problem is not with the vaccinated. The problem remains with the unvaccinated. And the way that we can get out of this pandemic is to increase vaccination rates,"

CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen said Saturday. Wen's remarks come as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data indicating that a small percentage of the fully vaccinated population can still be infected with COVID-19, be hospitalized, or die from the disease. Less than 0.004% of people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization, according to CDC's latest data, and less than 0.001% have died from the disease.

How worried should vaccinated people be of COVID-19 breakthrough infections? Breakthrough cases occur when the virus infects fully vaccinated people. The CDC reported a total of 6,587 breakthrough cases, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths as of July 26. At that time, more than 163 million people in the U.S. were fully vaccinated against COVID19.

Wen clarified that the federal government's recent guidance that fully vaccinated people should mask up is not an indication that the vaccines aren't working. "So the CDC should actually be saying, 'Look, the reason we're doing indoor mandates is because the unvaccinated cannot be trusted to put on masks. That's why the vaccinated also have to be putting on masks,'" she said. CDC now recommends vaccinated people wear masks indoors in certain areas "I really think that that would clarify things because ultimately the issue is the unvaccinated.

They really need to prevent this idea from taking over that somehow the vaccines don't work because that's exactly the opposite of what the CDC data are showing." Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a CNN medical analyst and professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University, echoed Wen's stance. "So if I tell you that if you are vaccinated, you have a ... 99.999% chance of not dying from this virus, what else in life gives you that kind of guarantee?

Our vaccines are exquisitely effective and very safe," Reiner told CNN Saturday. "But the news is just phenomenal with these vaccines, even with the super aggressive Delta variant, our vaccines work and they work really well." Even though there was a recent vaccination lag in many pockets of the country, inoculations have started to pick up. The seven-day average of new doses administered per day in the U.S. is now 652,084, up 26% over three weeks ago.

The increase is even sharper in Southern states, which have some of the lowest in vaccination rates in the country. In Alabama, where roughly 34% of the total population is fully vaccinated, the seven-day average is more than double that of three weeks ago. And Arkansas, with just 36% of its population fully vaccinated, has also seen its average daily rate of doses administered double in the past three weeks.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Americans can lower COVID-19 infections in a matter of weeks with vaccination and masks. "If we take the steps that are necessary to squash the amount of disease that is there now, we can do so in a matter of weeks, if we all get vaccinated, if we wear masks," Walensky told Fox News Friday. Just under half, 49.5%, of the total U.S. population is fully vaccinated, CDC data published Saturday showed. Industry urges more vaccinations among health care workers With the uptick in hospitalizations, health care workers are once again facing a greater risk of exposure to COVID-19.

And some in the medical community are calling for more stringent requirements regarding vaccinations for health care and long-term care employees. Nationally, less than 59% of nursing home staff are vaccinated against COVID-19, according to data released Friday from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. In contrast, more than 81% of nursing home residents were vaccinated as of July 18, according to CMS.

Only 1 in 5 nursing home facilities have hit the industry target of getting 75% of their health care staff fully vaccinated, according to a recent report from AARP. "For health care workers, I think a mandate is necessary," Dr. Rachel Villanueva, president of the National Medical Association, told CNN Friday.

The National Medical Association, which advocates on behalf of African American physicians and patients, is one of dozens of health care organizations that recently signed a joint statement in support of COVID-19 vaccine mandates for all workers in the industry. Biden asks states to offer $100 vaccine incentive as he pushes for vaccines for federal workers Even among health and long-term care employees, Villanueva noted, "I think it just really reflects what is happening in our nation -- that people have concerns, that people have been subjected to a lot of misinformation, and I think it's done us a big disservice." The Massachusetts Health & Hospital Association (MHA), which represents 70 hospitals in the state, endorsed a policy on Thursday requiring its member hospitals to "implement mandatory vaccination policies for their employees," according to a statement.

According to MHA, each individual hospital "will establish its own policy and timeline for mandatory vaccination, exercising their independent judgment, based on their workforce," the needs of the community and compliance "with all federal and state laws in granting appropriate medical and religious exemptions." "We felt it was important to take a stand together," said Christine Schuster, president and CEO of Emerson Hospital, in a tweet. Debate over mask mandates More cities and states are reinstituting mask mandates after recent data suggested vaccinated and unvaccinated people could potentially carry a similar viral load if infected.

Palm Beach County, Florida, will require face masks indoors at all county buildings for those vaccinated and unvaccinated beginning next week, citing the rising COVID-19 positivity rates in South Florida, according to a statement from the county. San Francisco, which has more than 70% of residents vaccinated against COVID-19, is "very vigorously exploring a mask mandate," according to the city's Health Officer Dr. Grant Colfax. An announcement is expected as early as next week. "This is not a good time to not be fully vaccinated for COVID-19," Colfax said, urging residents to find a way to protect themselves by receiving the vaccine. Colfax noted that hospitalizations of vaccinated COVID-19 patients is a fraction of the number of those who are unvaccinated.

What's different about the delta variant? Here's what's known And it's not only cities and counties that are issuing guidance. The music festival Lollapalooza, which is wrapping up Sunday, said it would require masks in any indoor spaces this weekend after following the latest recommendation from the Chicago Department of Public Health. "We encourage all fans attending the festival to bring a mask as they attend the final two days of the festival," according to a festival tweet.

[I have not read this myself, Hubby has helped me with reading so I thought you would find it of interest to read it I cannot work out where to break the paragraphs so I have guess where they belong, so hope you will not get too angry with my work?]

Thank you Celia for relaying this very comprehensive report, which should allay fears some may have about COVID-19 vaccine and the wearing of masks.

Be assured that it is gratefully appreciated the effort, thoughtfulness and,indeed, kindness you have shown in posting this.  I'm sure everyone will agree.

"So if I tell you that if you are vaccinated, you have a ... 99.999% chance of not dying from this virus, what else in life gives you that kind of guarantee?

Same goes if you are not vaccinated, this one expert is picking the data to suit the narrative. No one is talking about all those thousands of people dying after the vaccine and getting serious health problems.  No such thing as breakthrough cases, this is a term they made up to cover their tracks because the vaccine is not working and they need to get on with finding one that does, but unfortunately they made so many they can't be wasted now can they. If a drug goes on the market and one or two people die or have adverse reaction they take it off the market, seems these "vaccines" are immune to this and nothing more.

In evaluation of your comments, Incognito, what medical qualifications do you have and what sources can you bring to the table?

 

I can ask the same question to you Axel. I am just trying to balance the information, the sources are from the last 18 months of reading many, many articles. I have no time to search for them again. Time will tell the truth.

 

Do not mess with

Dr Incognito | Studio Joah he knows all there is to know!

Australia has no choice all for those over 60.

Read today, even the much-touted rollout of Australia's newly acquired Moderna vaccination ... it will be offered only to those eligible for the Pfizer vaccine when it is rolled out in Australia next month. Those over the age of 60 will remain eligible only for the AstraZeneca vaccine. 

 

Yes RnR it makes me wonder why we have no choice, is it because they have too much of the astra  -- are the older ones more expendable,  makes me wonder also WHY the Doctors were reluctant to give it because they can get sued 

Meant to say they could get sued, should anything happen

Doctors could get sued but not vaccine manufacturers, and it would be hard to prove it because they will refuse to make the connection. There are many cases of deaths and serious adverse reactions but it is not getting reported on mainstream media.

Just shows how poor the management is of Australia when a democratic country has no choice of medication even for people that have allergies or sensitivities to the medication that it is dictated to.

Image result for Depressed Old People Crying                                        Image result for Depressed Old People Crying 

Plan B to answer your question;   too many eggs have been put in one basket, which is poor management!

 

 

RnR,


My friends and I have had the AstraZeneca vaccine with no side effects at all.

However, if a doctor determined that for certain patients, this vaccine would not be suitable, surely they could have a different one.

I wonder if someone here has experienced this.

 

 

I has been indicated that there could be downsides and side effects a long time after the vaccines  -- not necessary straight after, that is the worry

Youth suicide crisis in Sydney as FORTY teens are rushed to hospital every day for self-harm amid 10-week lockdown - as Gladys Berejiklian complains 'I'm criticised no matter what I do'

The NSW Suicide Monitoring System found  8,489 people under 18 were rushed to hospital for self-harm and suicidal thoughts this year, to July 29.  The shocking figure, equating to 40 children a day, was a rise of 31 per cent over the same period last year, and 47 per cent from 2019. When the numbers were presented to Premier Gladys Berejiklian at her Covid press conference on Sunday morning, the state leader complained she would be criticised whether she kept the state locked down or not.

Can someone in Victoria explain to me what is happening with regards to the Pfizer vaccine,  because my

Grandson who is 17years and 9months lined up for the vaccine for 1 hour yesterday and was told he was 

to young to  get it? I thought it was available for children 13 to 17.

Thanks RnR, maybe his Father should have said his son was a Torres Strait Islander and he could have had 

the jab straight away. 

Just a follow-up on my experience with the AZ vaccine.  The second dose went without a hitch and it is now almost 4 weeks.  As some of you know I ended up in the hospital three weeks after the first one, not necessarily because of it, but who knows?

One interesting thing I noticed was that both my partner and myself were specifically asked if we had recently had a chemo treatment.  I'm assuming they are asking everyone that question, given my partner has never had chemotherapy and we weren't there together.  That question was on the original forms we filled out, but I found it interesting that it is now being asked of everyone again, just prior to getting the jab.  It made me wonder if my experience wasn't as unusual as I had thought.

My oncologist had claimed it was perfectly safe even if just within a few days, but the nurse administering the vaccine to me didn't seem to share his surety on that score.  I had finished my treatments a month earlier but she still wanted to consult a doctor before giving me the shot.  

I was understandably a little concerned but still went ahead, still more afraid of the virus than the vaccine.

Anyway, it appears that the second jab is a bit of a non-event.  So all's well that ends well, but I can totally understand why some people are reluctant.  Mixed messages.

Anyway, it appears that the second jab is a bit of a non-event.  So all's well that ends well, but I can totally understand why some people are reluctant.

... all's well that ends well, ...

Wonderful news Leonie, all my very best wishes.

So pleased all is well Leonie,  but like you said there are SO MANY missed messages it is a worry

Leonie,

So sorry to hear about your cancer journey and send you best wishes.

www.health.qld.gov.au

and

www.canceraustralia.gov.au 

have well referenced information about Covid vaccines and cancer. 

 

Glad to hear all went well for you Leonie

and thanks for letting all the members know

Thanks for the well wishes everyone, much appreciated.  Almost finished now, just a couple of tests to go, and hopefully, we can draw a line under it.  The oncologist is very positive, fingers crossed he is right.

That is excellent news, Leonie.  

Leonie, thank you for the update, very pleased to hear you are feeling better, it's such a scary time for us oldies, sometimes trying to be optimistic is hard.

Great news Leonie.

Hi Leonie

Glad to hear it has all worked out for you.

Husband had Chemo about a year ago, he firstly asked the Specialist and was given the ok.

He has had a double dose of AstraZ with no after affects, unlike my son.

 

 

 

it seems reaction is stronger for first dose those receiving AZ, but second dose for those receiving Pfizer. Have to wonder if this reaction might be correlated to the longevity of the response in AZ compared to Pfizer.

 

 

For those who might be interested, a report on the development of the Covid-19 vaccines.  I've also posted this elsewhere.

Is it true? Were COVID-19 vaccines developed too quickly to be safe?              health.gov.au

 

 

"New Zealand on Monday reported what authorities said was the country's first recorded death linked to the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine.

The information was released by the health ministry following a review by an independent Covid-19 vaccine safety monitoring board of the death of a woman after receiving the vaccine. The ministry's statement did not give the woman's age.

The board considered that the woman’s death was due to myocarditis, which is known to be a rare side effect of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, the statement said. Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that can limit the organ's ability to pump blood and can cause changes in heartbeat rhythms."

Aug. 30, 2021, 7:24 PM AEST / Source: Reuters

Bletch and others who are waiting for Pfizer

There is going to be a 4M doses of Pfizer vaccine swap with UK.

PM has said that over 60s holding out for Pfizer choice will be at the back of the queue.

Farside it is a typical ageist policy of Australia

.... people of younger ages have a choice whether to get AstraZeneca or Pfizer which the elderly do not have.

In other countries, the elderly who are the the most vulnerable to death from Covid come first.

Suppose the more elderly people that die, the more money the Government saves.

Actually the government would save more money by letting the young die. AZ has not  been approved for <18s, and Pfizer has been available only in limited supply so it should be given to maximise coverage within the population. The elderly have been prioritised and given plenty of time to saddle up and be vaccinated with an approved vaccine. They have the right to  brand shop and refuse AZ now, even if it means waiting at the back of the queue for Pfizer.

I wonder how many of the elderly shop for competing vaccines with other ailments.

 

Farside I never use the generic brand ...      I prefer to pay a little extra.

Yes the elderly have been prioritised but in my area there was no vaccine available of either variety

Pfizer-BioNTech’s product costs around £15 per dose ($20), Moderna’s is about £25 ($33), and the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is available at a much cheaper price of around £3 ($4).

Pictures emerged of empty Belgian vaccination centres, with people disparaging the AstraZeneca shot as a low-budget ‘Aldi vaccine’; 

A man sits in a largely deserted waiting area as he waits to receive a vaccine in a terminal of Zaventem airport in Brussels earlier this week

That would be why Morrison wants to give the cheap one to the older people and he has ordered more of it and it will be getting beyond its use-by date

Suze, do you prefer a manufacturer for your preferred flu vaccine – Sanofi (2 brands), GSK, Sequirus (4 brands) or Mylan for 2021? 

Not that I was talking about over the counter meds but are you aware that generic and branded often come off the same production line?

PlanB, the AZ is being manufactured here and has been available in larger quantities from the get go. The swapped Pfizer doses coming from overseas are nearer the expiry dates.

I was recently told that to get the Pfizer Jab you have needed to have certain illnesses/sickness, has anyone else hear this?  I have the requirements but have to fill in new forms. 

However, listening to the news we seem to have a lot of that vaccine coming into the country.

 

Eligibility for the Pfizer vaccine Current as at 3 August 2021

Vaccination providers can also administer Pfizer to people aged 60 and over with: 

• past history of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) 

• past history of Heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) 

• past history of idiopathic splanchnic (mesenteric, portal, splenic) vein thrombosis 

• antiphospholipid syndrome with thrombosis, and 

• contraindications to COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. That means:

      anaphylaxis to a previous dose or to an ingredient of the vaccine,

      thrombosis with thrombocytopenia occurring after the first dose of AstraZeneca, or

      other serious adverse event attributed to the first dose of AstraZeneca

 

 

You can also be pregnant to receive pfizer :)

good luck Suze. On the plus side if successful, not only do you become eligible for Pfizer but you have an increased likelihood of living to 100.

Thank you Farside

I look forward to living to at least a 100 :)

I know Pfizer is good.

 

As I have said before my only blood relation has a reaction to AstraZ 8 weeks ago and was in hospital for some time and off work, it is a pity they don't know more because after taking one dose of that vaccine I may not see the next day as I had the stroke to boot!

The Medical Fraternity are hitting people in the dark as they don't know enough about the issues of this vaccine, the proof of the pudding has been in my sons case.

ABC

South Australia will become the first state to make the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination available to all residents aged over 12 years, including those above 60.
Premier Steven Marshall made the announcement less than 24 hours after the Northern Territory confirmed over-60s in the Top End could get the Pfizer jab.
"It's on for young and old," Mr Marshall told reporters on Saturday.
"From Monday, children aged 12 to 15 and people aged 60 and over will be able to book in for Pfizer vaccinations at state-run clinics.

A person draws a syringe of Pfizer coronavirus vaccine in Perth, WA.

Ex- PM Tony Abbott was fined $500.00 for not wearing a mask whilst walking in Manly. He said he's not going to challenge the fine because he doesn't want to waste the police's time. He was quoted as saying, "I never thought that dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character".  Well hello, do you think you are above the law Tony.? 

Not setting a good example, he should be interviewed about why he did that~

Tony Abbott has insisted he was 'within the rules' after being spotted without a mask down at a beach in Manly on Wednesday morning

Tony Abbott has insisted he was 'within the rules' after being spotted without a mask down at a beach in Manly on Wednesday morning

'Look, I regard myself as having been at all times within the rules. I was surfing. That's exercise. I was with one other person. That's permitted. I then walked briskly to the coffee shop, that's permitted,' he said.

'I didn't have a mask on while I was drinking coffee. That's permitted. So, all ridgy didgy even under the current rather oppressive regime.'

The photo appears to show Mr Abbott in jeans and a jumper talking to a friend along the Manly promenade. 

Mr Abbott being dobbed in by an overzealous local makes concerns he aired just a week ago about the behaviour of Australians in lockdown eerily prescient. 

oh, it seems Tony Abbott tells fibs – who'd have thought!

 

 

Well I had my first shot of Pfizer last Monday morning!

Nice nurse looked after me and filled me in with all the information, was not as sore as the injection I had from the nurse at the doctors surgery!  LOL  That was for:-

 

Pneumonia OVERVIEWSYMPTOMSDIAGNOSISTREATMENTAn infection of the air sacs in one or both the lungs. Charactersied by severe cough with phelgm, fever, chills and difficulty in breathing.How common is condition?Common (More than 10,000 cases per year in Australia)Is condition treatable?Treatable by a medical professionalDoes diagnosis require lab test or imaging?Often requires lab test or imagingTime taken for recoveryCan last several weeks or monthsIs condition preventable by vaccine?May be preventable by vaccineHow is condition transmitted?Transmitted through respiratory dropletsDoctor wanted me to have this injection prior to the Pfizer as he said people who die from the virus usually die from Pneumonia OVERVIEWSYMPTOMSDIAGNOSISTREATMENTAn infection of the air sacs in one or both the lungs.

Charactersied by severe cough with phelgm, fever, chills and difficulty in breathing.How common is condition?Common (More than 10,000 cases per year in Australia)Is condition treatable?Treatable by a medical professionalDoes diagnosis require lab test or imaging?Often requires lab test or imagingTime taken for recoveryCan last several weeks or monthsIs condition preventable by vaccine?May be preventable by vaccineHow is condition transmitted?Transmitted through respiratory droplets

 

 

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