Medivac
So Senator Lambie and the Coalition Govt do a deal, that Senator Cormann says is not a deal, to repeal the Medevac laws. We can't be told anything because of security reasons, and Cormann says there was no deal.
Once again the public and the rest of parliament can't be told anything.
I wonder if the Australian public are getting sick and tired of this secrative Govt that were voted in by the public? 'Sorry we can't tell you anything because everyone is to believe they are doing the right thing.'
Sorry, if you want to hide things, something stinks.
Interesting Ny19,and this word secretive is something all Australians need to be some what concerned about
I'd like to hear what your view Ny19 on where this secretive Govt is leading us into what type of future.
For myself i don't like this type of Govt because if there is something to hide from the public,it can't be good.
Interesting Ny19,and this word secretive is something all Australians need to be some what concerned about
I'd like to hear what your view Ny19 on where this secretive Govt is leading us into what type of future.
For myself i don't like this type of Govt because if there is something to hide from the public,it can't be good.
Ny19, our Government and politicians are all public servants that should not be hiding anything from us. I find it strange how some potentially dying asylum seeker's child or adult should be a national security risk to this Government but selling off to China is not. Lambie would sooner see them dead. The Liberal pawn has sold her soul for the almighty dollar.
I wish Australia really was a Democracy but it isn't in the Lib/Lab land of self-serving governing. Our entire political system needs an overhaul as they have in Sweden.
https://mg.co.za/article/2019-05-31-00-no-perks-for-swedish-mps
Will the people who voted them in (that's if they did actually get voted in) learn by their mistake and not let the lying, oppressive, authoritarian LNP back in for another term. They treat everyone, even their long term supporters, like mushrooms.
Hear, hear! Vote these fascists out at the next election. Bring it on!
I think the problem is that there are to many one eyed voters in Australia.We need more swinging voters.One eyed voters will vote for there prefered party no matter what they do.My sister inlaw is one of them, She will always vote libs at any cost,so did her father.
This has overtones of the growth of Fascism in the 1930s which I never expected in Australia. Those politicians are supposed to be governing for us not against us and some pretend they are Christian!!
Tanker, there is no denial. The 14 hallmarks of fascism are in Australia.
The 14 characteristics are:
Powerful and Continuing NationalismFascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
The supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.
Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology are common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Most of the worlds wars and problems were caused by religion.
Jackie that is really scary stuff, seems we are already half way to a facist Government.
Johnboy, most war is caused by greed, religion is just a conveiant excuse to start them.
This has overtones of the growth of Fascism in the 1930s which I never expected in Australia. Those politicians are supposed to be governing for us not against us and some pretend they are Christian!!
Not only has this government managed to get this through in a secret deal, but they have also set Jackie Lambie up to take most of the blame. They're good at that.
Maybe the secret deal is she gets a free Hairdo!
Leonie, donations toward her party from Mr. Forrest himself.
Jackie, just how naive are you????
If you knew just how much politicians and public servants hide from you, you'd have an apopletic fit.
I was a public servant for most of my working life in both the Federal, Queensland and Victorian governments. I saw and heard things that would make your hair curl.
When I first joined the PMG at 17 years of age, I had to sign the Official Secrets Act. I was told that it lasted my entire life and anything I saw, heard or discussed as part of the job, went to the grave with me.
A lot of stuff I saw and heard was relatively harmless, but common sense will tell you that some things cannot be revealed for many reasons, national security probably rating highest on the list. While I was with PMG/Telecom Australia (before it became Telstra) I actually worked for a time in a top secret cell which no-one else in the organisation had any idea existed. An interesting experience!
That said, I am not condoning anything perpetrated by the current batch of ratbags in parliament, there is very little they do that needs to be kept secret from the general public.
Johninmelb, I worked for the public service in the past and the majority were the biggest bludgers under the sun. Just how naive are you to tell me there is no corruption amongst our politicians? Tell that to those farmers that voted for the Coalition. Corruption is destroying this country.
I am very well aware of the staggering levels of corruption in politics and in the public service. Where did I say there was no corruption among politicians? Nowhere. Read my post again and get your eyes tested.
If I had my way most of the current LNP cabinet and a good handful from the Opposition would be in gaol now. And what abou the Minister for Manila and other backbenchers? I would decimate parliament and our gaols would be full of corrupt politicians both State and Federal.
Secret deal? who in their right mind would make a secret deal with Jacqui Lambie. Only secret deal done this week is with Israel and the AFL, he's laughing all the way to the bank.
Yes Reagan
Israel did very well
You could be right Reagan,if so it shows how stupid Cormann anothers really are,but it also shows how
foolish Jackie Lambie is to believe this Govt will hold their promise what ever it is with Lambie
the way all this has been handled stinks like a dead fish.
You could be right Reagan,if so it shows how stupid Cormann anothers really are,but it also shows how
foolish Jackie Lambie is to believe this Govt will hold their promise what ever it is with Lambie
the way all this has been handled stinks like a dead fish.
Yes Reagan, I was hoping the AFL would stay strong, but alas, hate speech masquerading as religious belief has persevered.
Look guys, Jacqui is no Soong Ching-Ling but she’s basically got a good heart, but she is no match for cunning. Plain and simple, she’s had the wool pulled and now realises she stuffed up, no deal done.
Kaz, AFL had no choice, he had them over a legal barrel unfortunately.
Reagan, ALL POLICIES SHOULD NEVER BE PASSED THROUGH THE SENATE IN A SHROUD OF SECRECY. Our Westminster system is failing us and needs to be changed. Lambie's stepping stone into parliament was through Palmer as his sidekick. From there she looked on to bigger pastures and more money as an independent. Lambie wants big money and will get it as a Liberal pawn. She will fall flat on her face for money. Her tears for selling her soul for money were very real.
I was totally disgusted to read Israel Folau has been paid millions, a secret deal? Did you notice the big smile on his dial yesterday? As Reagan said "Laughing all the way to the Bank". When they bring religion into it, praying outside the courthouse, they are total hypocrits.
Funny how sporting codes profess their inclusion and equality, except to those who have a different opinion. Mr Falau and Ms Margaret Court two current examples.
As for the ridiculous medivac law, I don't care what deal may or may not have been done, I do care it has finally been repealed. It was never about medical treatment, those on Nauru had access and to Australian services if they needed it, it was always about bringing those held there to Australia. Think about those who were said to have life threatening illnesses brought here only to refuse to be seen, refuse treatment and simply waiting out the time before lodging an application to stay. And this inckuses some already accepted by the USA.
Then there are those accused of child abuse, procuring a child for sex, violence against their wife and mother in law, violence against officers in the immigration centre. All of these were brought here regardless. I for one am now happy that these people will be treated and returned. As they should be.
We need people like you KSS to go over to Naru and Manus to process people if they need medical help.
Regardless some of your points may or may not be fact,because of our secretive Govt tells us only what they want,so i wouldn't believe a lot from the likes of Morrisson and Dutton.
Now that this new or old LNP law is back in vogue,is this tell us nothing unless it suits them Govt going to do with the people on Naru and Manus just continue these hell holes or are they really make an effort to fix this problem now that the LNP are in their 3rd term,i would not hold my breath.
We need people like you KSS to go over to Naru and Manus to process people if they need medical help.
Regardless some of your points may or may not be fact,because of our secretive Govt tells us only what they want,so i wouldn't believe a lot from the likes of Morrisson and Dutton.
Now that this new or old LNP law is back in vogue,is this tell us nothing unless it suits them Govt going to do with the people on Naru and Manus just continue these hell holes or are they really make an effort to fix this problem now that the LNP are in their 3rd term,i would not hold my breath.
I lived on Manus Island ..it was paradise on earth ...definitely NO HELL HOLE as you describe it.
Sinter, Australia paid for, built, equipped and managed heath services on Nauru that are better than many Aboriginal communities have here. And most of the detainees have open access to the island and are not locked up at all. They return to sleep. The children can go to local schools, they can even get jobs. It may not be what the irregular arrivals paid for when they got on the boats orchestrated by the ALP, but they are better off and above all safe! Not the hell hole you surmise.
Suze, New Guinea is a poverty-stricken developing country that should never have been responsible for Australia's problem.
Siphoning public money to some dodgy company that's connected with the Liberal party is not cost-effective. It would have been cheaper to keep them onshore at the Hilton.
Australia can't even manage its own rubbish that's why our country is being sold off to China by these incompetent fools that leave it all in god's hands.
Great to know you lived on Manus Suze,did you ask any of the detained people there why they want to leave,i guess what we see from some of the media here in Australia is fake news.
The reality is this Govt is still blaming Labor for everything,including the Manus and Naru issue,but their in their 3rd term,getting sick of listening to their whinging when ever things go pear shape.....i'ts Labor's fault.
Great to know you lived on Manus Suze,did you ask any of the detained people there why they want to leave,i guess what we see from some of the media here in Australia is fake news.
The reality is this Govt is still blaming Labor for everything,including the Manus and Naru issue,but their in their 3rd term,getting sick of listening to their whinging when ever things go pear shape.....i'ts Labor's fault.
Had a good view of the ocean from behind the barbed wire fence while you were on Manus, Suze???
KSS they may be able to walk around freely but the locals sure don't want them there. They are not been made to feel welcome at all, quite the opposite.
Being accused of something and being guilty of it are two very different things. I could accuse any person on this site of any crime I like, would that make them guilty?
Even easier when the accused has no right to legal redress.
Good to see everyone's done their research. NRL not AFL, give me a break. And if you thought that governments for hundreds of years didn't keep secrets ( yes even your beloved Labor ) from the populace and don't think they should, then you are bigger mugs than i thought. Do you think you can possibly run a Government / country openly without inhouse deals etc? What about commercial in confidence etc?
Bazza, I thought it was Rugby Australia, aka Australian Rugby Unon, not NRL (National Rugby League). Forgive me if I am being too pedantic but you too must do you research.
Commercial-in-confidience is meant to protect trade secrets and other commecially sensitive details not used as a tool to prevent disclosure of public infomation. This government seems to use C-i-C in a manner it was never intended to circumvent public scrutiny.
Apologies guys, of course it's Rugby Australia, musta bin that burger I had for lunch at my SIL - she's trying out veganism and cooked up some hemp burgers from Woolies. Will stick to my usual, big fat juicy wagyu beef.
Could be $8m or more, talk about hitting the jackpot!
Sorry Reag, there was a deal made. Jacqui was promised the spot of Bachelorette in the new series. When she found out all the guys were over 80 and modestly endowed, she started sobbing!
Your right Bazza be it beloved Labor or LNP deals are done,the fact is people are getting sick of these deals and this one with Lambie is one of worst,remember this about peoples lives,but then again that doesn't seem to be important in this day and age,just get a vote through parliment no matter what the cost,even human lives......shameful to say the least.
Your right Bazza be it beloved Labor or LNP deals are done,the fact is people are getting sick of these deals and this one with Lambie is one of worst,remember this about peoples lives,but then again that doesn't seem to be important in this day and age,just get a vote through parliment no matter what the cost,even human lives......shameful to say the least.
Good to see everyone's done their research. NRL not AFL, give me a break. And if you thought that governments for hundreds of years didn't keep secrets ( yes even your beloved Labor ) from the populace and don't think they should, then you are bigger mugs than i thought. Do you think you can possibly run a Government / country openly without inhouse deals etc? What about commercial in confidence etc?
The really sickerning thing about this whole Manus and Naru issue is,that Morrisson could never except the fact that he and his Govt lost the vote in the Lower House before the election on Medivac.As soon as Morrisson won the election he was hell bent on changing the Medivac Law,well he got what he wanted,now lets see how he and his Govt handle it.
This to me seems like gee,Scomo you won the battle only to lose the war in the end.
The really sickerning thing about this whole Manus and Naru issue is,that Morrisson could never except the fact that he and his Govt lost the vote in the Lower House before the election on Medivac.As soon as Morrisson won the election he was hell bent on changing the Medivac Law,well he got what he wanted,now lets see how he and his Govt handle it.
This to me seems like gee,Scomo you won the battle only to lose the war in the end.
I immigrated to Australia in 1971, became a citizen in 1992. Since 1997 I feel Australians have been conditioned to be more and more fearful and distrustful of others which is so so sad.
The repeal of the medivac legislation only serves to demonstrate that we have become a much less civilized nation. I note that many of my fellow citizens deplore the way we treat those less fortunate this gives me a great deal of comfort in these dark times.
If anyone feels that a reasonable response to my opinion is that I should go back to where I came from, please keep in mind that not being able to deal with an opinion which is different from your own is not a good argument.
Hang in there Australia
It's good to have citizens like you here auldtic.
Australia has become a cruel place since the Howard government came to power. No improvement since. The result of the last election only served to rub in the fact that we are a dumb, fearful nation, lacking in compassion.
Just an act of political bastadry by a petty little man who has let personal ego win over humanity by SLOMO.
What a great display of real christian ethics.
Maybe christians should kick him out of the organisation, thugs like him do the cause no good. Any organisation that allows him to hold power by vitue of their vote should be investigated via a Royal Commision and face deregistration.
HOW GREAT IS PETTY POLITICS.
"Don't tell the plebs anything - keep the public in the dark", is the mantra of this secretive government.
And then there are dictates on what the plebs can say and when eg "Not ok to mention climate change in relation to the bushfires and smoke pollution".
And "Kids should not be out protesting for government action on climate change, kids should stay at school." Weeks after the last climate march many kids could not attend their schools because of the bushfires. But hey, it's not acceptable to highlight the irony and draw the link as to how climate change is affecting our children, grandchildren and all of us.
And there's the laws, both existing and being formed, to punish protesters and stymy boycotts.
There is something terribly, horribly, shockingly wrong with this controlling government!!!