It is useless trying to have a sensible debate/conversation with bobagain as he simply dismisses any opinion that doesn't coincide with his own



Well put as what you say is very obvious.

If you do not share the views of American republicans then all you say is crap.



Mistaken comment here. It is not just the views of the Republicans at all. There are liberals in the Republican party just as there are conservatives in the Democrat party. The big issue is about how the far left liberals, both parties, are destroying the US. This all started during the Bush days when the budget started to go out of control. The debts kept rising. Bush was the President but the Congress was in the hands of the far left liberals, which is when the budget and debts got out of control. So various groups started protesting and wanting change. Obama got elected by promising change and guess what. No change but extremely higher spending and the debt is now several times that of Bush. It took Bush 8 years to scare people but Obama did several times worse in only 18 months. Many folks are now terrified that we will end up bankrupt but the current government can not see that spending is the problem.



So it is not the Republicans or the Democrats that are causing the problem. It is the far left socialist types that are causing the problem. Liberals only account for about 20% of the US population but right now they are in a unique power position of holding the two houses of Congress and the President. A few telling the many how to live. In about 50 days the many will have the opportunity to get rid of the few.

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Bob, gone are the days when we Australians believe everything our politicians tell us. Since I discovered the internet, I have been able to find out stuff that the west don't want me to know. Just one example, like how Israel keeps pushing the boundaries and continue to build on Arab land - it's just plain wrong and nothing you can say will ever make it right. And it's not just me who are getting an education late in life, we are all getting clued up about world events. You know how I feel about the ANZUS treaty, I value America's friendship but if you decide to go to war with Iran - I don't want Australia to be involved - you will take advantage of our past alliance and ask for troops to support you again in a third war in the middle east. Please, please, please - no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!

Bob, gone are the days when we Australians believe everything our politicians tell us. Since I discovered the internet, I have been able to find out stuff that the west don't want me to know. Just one example, like how Israel keeps pushing the boundaries and continue to build on Arab land - it's just plain wrong and nothing you can say will ever make it right. And it's not just me who are getting an education late in life, we are all getting clued up about world events. You know how I feel about the ANZUS treaty, I value America's friendship but if you decide to go to war with Iran - I don't want Australia to be involved - you will take advantage of our past alliance and ask for troops to support you again in a third war in the middle east. Please, please, please - no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!



That is for sure, just your opinion. You are entitled but I do not agree with what you say. An honest answer with my opinion. Pretty obvious that you have dismissed what I posted when the Irael thread was running. It is not the Palestinians or the Israelis that are the problem. It is Iran who is sponsoring and paying for the Hamas terrorist group and Hezbola in Lebanon. Fine bunch of jerks in Iran. The Palestinians really do not have claim on all those lands. Misplaced loyalties.



I would hope we don't have another war in the middle east too. But if Iran goes over the borders in any way and hurts others, the UN will likely take on the situation and ask for another coalition. Then it would be up to your government, not the US, to decide to join in and help the total UN effort or to sit it out. The US may ask but that is the entire power we have over the Australians. It is your government that makes the decision. You say you admire the US and value the US friendship but you constantly blame the US for doing things we have no authority to do. Sort of like an anti US attitude to me. Blame your government for committing the Australian military to these UN requested coalitions.

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I can recall our leaders of the day running around

with the catch cry of "ALL THE WAY with L.B.J."

in the 60's a ten year war that didn't do anyone any good.



To use our troops in a middle east war that we can't win

would to me, be just a waste of young lives.

Lets face it half the time members of the U.N. can't agree.

with each other.

I did not vote for Greens but glad they in and will have some say as they are anti-war**

Once upon a time not so long ago

There was a Prime Minister called

"Pig Iron Bob" against better advice he sold

the nations Pig Iron to The friendly

Land of The Rising Sun. 18 months or so later

the nation was payed back with tonnes and tonnes of bombs.

The moral of this "Fairy Story"

Friends when they want something

God help you when they have it!



Sell arms to no Nation I say!!!!!!!!

I did not vote for Greens but glad they in and will have some say as they are anti-war**



Did anyone tell you that the Greens and Greenpeace are all derivatives and related to the communist party all around the world. Must make everyone feel so much better that the worst political situation in the world is taking over the governments all around the world. They suddenly appeared around 1978 in countries around the world. They appear to be well funded and actually call themselves communist in many countries. Why would anyone want one of the worst governments to take their country over. Even Putin has said that the communist government of Russia was a one hundred year mistake.



Ah yes. Greens, Progressives, Socialist, Communist, they all use the same pledges for the people. Wealth redistribution, big governments to control the people and their destiny, very high taxes, all these promises of free this and that to suck up the voters. Nothing free in this world as can be seen by the heavy taxes in the socialized nations.

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I can recall our leaders of the day running around

with the catch cry of "ALL THE WAY with L.B.J."

in the 60's a ten year war that didn't do anyone any good.



To use our troops in a middle east war that we can't win

would to me, be just a waste of young lives.

Lets face it half the time members of the U.N. can't agree.

with each other.



Like it or not the Vietnam war brought an end to the China and Russia spread of communism behind cannons in the Asian areas and even in Europe. That was the very intent of the entire mess. Communism was spreading behind cannons and they overtook China and continued to spread into other territories. But after the Vietnam war the spread had ended and now we have no communist Russia, half communist and half capitalist China, Vietnam has gone as China and released many jailed for trying to run a private business and now supports those same people who are running businesses in Vietnam.



Lots of good came of that thrust to stop the spread of communism.



Time will tell in the middle east. It was said that we could not win the war in Iraq but at this time there is a free Iraq defending their own territory from religious and Iranian efforts.



Afghanistan will only be won if we let the terrorist know we intend to win, not when we say one year and we run away. That is a political mess started by our far left government in the US. You never tell the enemy that you will only fight for one year then run. In WWII there was no claim of time, only that we were going to go the limit to win, and we did win. Today we worry about troops spending 6 months to a year in the war zone. In WWII the troops were trained and then sent to combat areas with no guarantee of ever coming home.

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Oh come off it Bob are we going back to the 50s

when there was "red under every bed" :question:

I thought the days of " McCarthyism " were long gone

You have to give people a fair go mate,

just because they don't agree with you does not mean

that they are RED .

Oh come off it Bob are we going back to the 50s

when there was "red under every bed" :question:

I thought the days of " McCarthyism " were long gone

You have to give people a fair go mate,

just because they don't agree with you does not mean

that they are RED .



I am not hiding that I think socialism is hurting the world. Large governments are not efficient and they take away most of the freedoms that people should enjoy. It is way to sad that the US joined in with the PC crowds and stopped defending the US from the spread of communism as it should have. Most of the worlds efforts from the end of WWII until Russia's communist government failed was to stop the spread of communism. Today the US is in the grips of a minority of far left socialist due to our lack of commitment to protect our constitution from those that want to destroy it. It is more serious than a red under every bed. It is about keeping the Marxist from controlling the US.



Green Party is a new name for communism, that is all it is.



Many examples can be found on the web. Here are a couple examples.



http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/01/04/green-communism/



As such, we need to transition to an entirely new way of thinking about politics, society, and the economy – Green Communism.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecologist_Party_"The_Greens"



It was the first Portuguese ecologist party and since its foundation, in 1982, the PEV has had a close relationship the Portuguese Communist Party, and now (as of 2005[update]), after participating allied with it in the Unitarian Democratic Coalition in several elections, the PEV holds many mandates in local assemblies and two seats in the Assembly of the Republic.



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v13/ai_19969858/



http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/20675



http://www.americanfreedomalliance.org/microsite/green-movement/green-movement.htm

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Bob sure has a red under every bed.

To say the Greens are communists is only an opinion and after reading one of the links Bob provided I am sure of that.

The article in canadafreepress was written by Laurie Roth - a member of the Tea Party.

Laurie is a singer/songwriter with five CD albums to her credit.

The article is typical right wing propaganda.

Bob sure has a red under every bed.

To say the Greens are communists is only an opinion and after reading one of the links Bob provided I am sure of that.

The article in canadafreepress was written by Laurie Roth - a member of the Tea Party.

Laurie is a singer/songwriter with five CD albums to her credit.

The article is typical right wing propaganda.



That first link is to a very long and difficult article. It is not a far right item as what it argues is true. Did you read the second one where the Greens are with the communist party. Or about the third one which talks about Green Peace and it's founder and what has happened to Green Peace since he left. This is not fiction, it is truth.



Now if you know anything about socialism or communism then you should read the 10 steps the Greens all use. Look at what they want to do. Wealth redistribution, large government, community owned property, government controlled lives, read on and you will recognize the path.

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Bob, I think you have bigger problems that Greens and Communists -



http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid;=21052



With the November elections quickly approaching, the majority of Americans will be thinking one thing: "Who cares?” This apathy isn't due to ignorance, as some accuse. Rather, working people's disinterest in the two party system implies intelligence: millions of people understand that both the Democrats and Republicans will not represent their interests in Congress.





This begs the question: Whom does the two party system work for? The answer was recently given by the mainstream The New York Times, who gave the nation an insiders peek on how corporations "lobby" (buy) congressmen. The article explains how giant corporations — from Wall-mart to weapons manufacturers — are planning on shifting their hiring practices for lobbyists, from Democratic to Republican ex-congressmen in preparation for the Republicans gaining seats in the upcoming November elections:



"Lobbyists, political consultants and recruiters all say that the going rate for Republicans — particularly current and former House staff members — has risen significantly in just the last few weeks, with salaries beginning at $300,000 and going as high as $1million for private sector [corporate lobbyist] positions." (September 9, 2010)

Bob, I think you have bigger problems that Greens and Communists -



http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid;=21052



With the November elections quickly approaching, the majority of Americans will be thinking one thing: "Who cares?” This apathy isn't due to ignorance, as some accuse. Rather, working people's disinterest in the two party system implies intelligence: millions of people understand that both the Democrats and Republicans will not represent their interests in Congress.



[b]Who cares is the many conservatives of both parties that are now involved in what is called by the press as the Tea Party. Not really a party at all, just a collection of many activist groups upset with th far left destruction of the US.[/b]



This begs the question: Whom does the two party system work for? The answer was recently given by the mainstream The New York Times, who gave the nation an insiders peek on how corporations "lobby" (buy) congressmen. The article explains how giant corporations — from Wall-mart to weapons manufacturers — are planning on shifting their hiring practices for lobbyists, from Democratic to Republican ex-congressmen in preparation for the Republicans gaining seats in the upcoming November elections:



[b]Unfortunately for too many the two party system has many that are working for themselves. They work for their re election and not what s best for the people and the nation. This coming election is going to be a challenge to these folks. I hope it gives them a wake up. Actually the US has no official parties and there are many more parties available than two. The constitution does not provide for 'parties' and the parties are just the result of similar ideas forming into recognized groups. The Constitution only provides for proper ways for the elections and times of service of the elected.[/b]



"Lobbyists, political consultants and recruiters all say that the going rate for Republicans — particularly current and former House staff members — has risen significantly in just the last few weeks, with salaries beginning at $300,000 and going as high as $1million for private sector [corporate lobbyist] positions." (September 9, 2010)



[b]Lobbyist are a big problem. In fact, I think in recent years they have put controls on who gets authorized to be a lobbyist. I am thinking that there was a minimum of two years after leaving office before the got to be a lobbyist. Maybe that did not get passed. Obama promised to never use the lobbyist but after he got elected he did hire some lobbyist to help him destroy the US government as fast as he can.[/b]



[b]So what we are actually trying to do is somehow break down the far left, Greens, socialist, Progressives, Communist, efforts to destroy the US and turn the US into some third world style of government[/b].