AstraZeneca

Firstly, let me say that I have had the AstraZeneca vaccine, albeit with extreme reluctance.

It is fact that the AstraZeneca vaccine does not give you the same level of immunity as other vaccines, but it is the only vaccine we are allowed to have.  If that isn't age discrimination I don't know what is.  We are already in a vulnerable age group and this vulnerability is being compounded by not having any choice of vaccine.

We have relatives and friends in England, Europe and America, so like to keep up with all the international news.  Everyone abroad is amazed that we are only allowed to have the one vaccine.

At the moment we are dealing with the Delta variant.  The Beta variant, that started in South Africa, has now spread to Europe and it is only a matter of time before it reaches the UK and ultimately Australia.  We are all aware of how each new strain travels the world.

The AstraZeneca vaccine is not effective against this Beta strain.  AstraZeneca are aware of this and have been working, since October last year, on a booster shot to make the vaccine effective against this variant.  If the Beta variant arrives here before the AstraZeneca vaccine has been improved then we will all be "sitting ducks" as we do not have other vaccines.

A friend, and one relative in the UK, received the AstraZeneca vaccine, before it was associated with causing blood clots.  They have both now been told that they must have another vaccine, of a completely different type, so that when the Beta variant hits they will have some immunity.

Whatever your political persuasion it seems to me that in the middle of a global pandemic, a PM that doesn't order every single type of vaccine available, and in sufficient quantitities to vaccinate every single Australian, is either grossly incompetent and or grossly stupid!

 

 

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Well said Upsedaidy!

I have heard the same from our relatives overseas also, but Morrison will not listen.

Moderna apparently is going to be available from Chemists they have said on the news?

I wonder if that means Doctors will be allowed to select their patients who need the jab?

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Moderna is apparently very similar to the Pfizer.

 

AstraZeneca has reported that a single dose of its Covid-19 vaccine, Vaxzevria, was 82% effective against hospitalisation or mortality caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus’ Beta or Gamma variants.

The data is from a study by the Canadian Immunization Research Network (CIRN) with support from the Public Health Agency of Canada and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research. 

Results showed that apart from the Beta/Gamma variants, the vaccine was highly effective against the Delta (B.617.2) and Alpha (B.1.1.7) variants by reducing hospitalisations or deaths by 87% and 90%, respectively. Furthermore, the efficiency of the vaccine following one dose against hospitalisation or mortality was in line with that of other vaccines analysed in the study.

 

Have read many studies and reports about the efficacy of the AstraZeneca, compared to other vaccines, and whilst I'm not disputing it can be effective against hospitalisation and death, I still maintain it is inferior to other vaccines.  I could spend all day quoting the various reports and studies done, and their results, but won't bore readers by doing so.

As you state, it is NOT effective against the Beta/Gamma variants.  We therefore should never have been put in the position that the only vaccine we are allowed to have is one that carries a risk of blood clots and has been known, for quite some time to be ineffective in respect of the other variants.

What is even worse is that, because enough vaccines were not ordered, the AstraZeneca is being used on those under 60.  Even one death by blood clotting is one too many when there are other vaccines available, which should have been ordered.

 

 

 

Upsadaisy, don't let your bias get ahead of the facts. I did not state "it is NOT effective against the Beta/Gamma variants". I quoted from a recently published study that found AZ is "82% effective against hospitalisation or mortality caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus’ Beta or Gamma variants". Big difference between not effective and 82% effective.

Exercise your free will and don't take it if you don't want it.

I agree with what you say in the opener Upsadaisy. I feel deeply for the poor folk who have had the misfortune to be the one in a million, also for those afflicted with the blood clot response who haven't died. There is something ghastly about submitting to a vaccine that can kill, no matter how remote the chance is, and one does need a dose of courage to go through with it. I certainly did and then breathed a sigh of relief when my 4 weeks post vacc was up. I feel angry with the Morrison government for being so short sighted when ordering vaccines. They did not attempt to order more Pfizer even after the blood clotting problems with the AZ were known and documented. They have been determined to use up their store of AZ on the elderly. My daughter got her first AZ shot before they changed the rule to over 60s. I felt more anxious for her for the following 4 weeks than I did for myself. Now have other friends feeling anxious as their young adult children are going off to get it in Sydney. It is a reasonably good vaccine but is inferior to others and unfortunate that it has these anxiety inducing problems. 

Reply to Burnside. 

Not prepared to get into an argument with you.  You have your views I have mine. 

Hobsons Choice is no choice.

One's views are not important here...facts are! I agree with Farside.

I shall continue to say, one has a choice...to have the jab or not....so far....in months to come, it may not be so.

All the vaccines have the capacity to prevent serious illness and being hooked up to a machine in ICU. We are very lucky we have these vaccines available in Australia. 

 

 

 

Totally agree.  Elder abuse formalized by our government.  The standard for elders in this country was the least effective and the only reason the TGIA allowed it to be given to older Australians is that there had been few tests to show it was a bad choice and there was acceptance that its lower efficacy rate was okay for older Australians.  I am double vaccinated and looking forward to my booster shot. 

Our government knows it has miss-managed care and support for older Australians and has miss-managed the vaccine purchase and roll-out.  They are simply avoiding taking the responsibility (blame) for their incompetence or worse.  Daily they are not making choices and letting them be made by public.  Maybe getting rid of we elders is a way to salve their embarrassment.    

 

“Australian workplaces set to follow SPC’s move on mandatory jabs” (Sydney Morning Herald).

Australian businesses are closely monitoring SPC’s decision to make it mandatory for all workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19, with other companies expected to follow suit.

Owners of restaurants say they want people to support their businesses so members of the public will soon have to provide proof of vaccination.

 

The government should mandate compulsory jabs like was done for Polio or Small Pox.  But no, they're avoiding taking responsibility and leaving it to doctors and companies and grandstanding how much worse it could have been.  Where is the proof?

the govt is discriminating against those over 60 but are exempt from discrimination law . i refuse to get the zenica jab. 

Nice thing about living in Australia is the right to exercise free will and make that choice.

Soup Nazi from Seinfeld meme

Farside

If it were not so true it would be funny

There is an interesting conundrum for businesses as they are required by law to provide a safe workplace for their employees. If they allow non-vaccinated workers into the work place are they actually breaking the law? 

At the moment it is not quite clear...however, the "lawmakers" are working on that and it may well be perfectly lawful shortly.

Question to anti- vaxxers :  

You are in a life or death situation not related at all to Covid-19....how would you feel if the hospital bed in ICU which you should be occupying, is taken by a selfish person who did not have the vaccine and who is infected with the virus...would you be mad, would your relatives be mad?

I rest my case.

I suppose if the posters to this blog were to provide their medical qualifications to support their statements that there would be a lot fewer posts.

We have some of the most brilliant experts right here in Australia who frequently come on air to persuade people of the importance of getting vaccinated. Yet their pleas are falling on some very deaf ears.

Australia has less than 20% of its population fully vaccinated. Everyone is an expert...all you need to know is .... if you are not vaccinated and you get the virus, you will most likely die.

One does not need a medical qualification to know that ...it is commonsense!!!

 

What BS Sophie, are you God, no one can predict who will die!!

Yep  Sophie, no one needs a medical degree to know your days are numbered if you do not roll up and get the jab. All you need is one or two active brain cells. And incognito it is easy to predict death. My prediction is, get jabbed or perish!!!

Agree with you Sue Ridge

It seems we are well and truly stuffed, sounds like a dog chasing its tail, Covid variants vs  various vaccines, a never ending story........

Too many people looking at the worst case scenario. When going for surgery, you will be warned there is a chance you wont be alive at the end, but I think the majority would take that risk. All of these vaccines have had fingers pointed at them, but trial by Media give AZ a very bad rap in Australia. ATAGI's recommendations didn't help either.  Over thinking and not getting advice from your own GP.  If any doubt get another opinion.

I agree, it is discrimination of elderly and we should all speak up. The most likely to suffer severely from Covid and die, but they make us have an inferior vaccine. But the Government has been discriminating against the elderly for a long time you have only to look at the state of the Aged Care industry to see that.  They seem to think they can treat the elderly poorly, and when they set an example like that others will follow.  

All vaccines should be available to anyone over the age of 18 IF they want it. And everyone should have the right to choose what goes in their bodies not Governments or CHO's. Too many charlatan "experts" on mainstream TV spinning too much confusion. 

 

What is available is what you have!

What makes you think you should get a vaccine which is more suitable for young people?

What have you brought to the table of life, except whinge and whine!

 

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