Hi Bigval, I just got back & this is the first I have read on this site. What do you want? When Pauline Henson said that she wanted ALL Australians to be treated alike, she was branded a racist & jailed. You now want the same benefits as these poor little innocent sluts & you expect support. You are joking!!! These little, well informed children will be voting for 60 odd years & you will be voting for 15. When I suggested that we get together to make a power play, you said you would NOT support a political Party that ONLY represented YOU & did not have an education or external affairs policy, etc, etc. Just a thought!! How about all single mothers do NOT get the singles' bonus & if they can't afford to raise their children, they are put up for adoption, by parentd who can afford them?? Your objections would be gone in 5 minutes, because these innocent little children would somehow or other, NOT get pregnant.

Innes you really are a very rude man. Obviously never taught manners. Sure you are not a Gen Y masquerading as a Senior?

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Comments like yours are not helpful. 30 years too late to stop the welfare roundabout as we have these girls many of whom are from families who never worked either and never will.

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BigVal, I have heard about this from time to time over the years, and I simply can't understand why nobody among our politicians have never been pushed to look into it.

Re the young mothers, well, my opinion, over the years ......each generation has been encouraged to use the welfare syetem to their best advantage, particularly since Whitlam.

A welfare system is slowly and surely becoming a way of life for these people, yet for some reason, the older generations are treated as second class citizens.[/size]

Hi again BigVal, I have just reread your 43 lines of criticism of the system for young unmarried mothers. I suggested that the payment of baby bonus' etc, being stopped, would stop this form of prostitution. I also stated that these recipiants will vote for another 60 years (& guess which party) whilst you would be around for maybe 15 years & as stated, will change your vote at each election. Just out of curiosity, which bit of that is rude& which part is incorrect? By the way, I am not only a senior, but a part pensioner. At the risk of being thrown off this site, by you; can you point out which rule, honesty & stating of fact, breaks?

I do not begrude any assistance being provided to the young - able - bodied members of society...be they the unemployed, the single mums, or young families battling to get a start in life. - They are our country's future - Perhaps we could view these payments as an investment in the future generation... assisting in the raising of a healthy, well grounded future generation - the workers...the future taxpayers....who will inturn be able to assist the then young ones requiring the same help... ?? ...that's the way it should go..... These payouts are now regarded as an expectation - free money.... it will never be enough....with no requirement to contribute in any way to repay the debt in the future. Their children will expect the same benefits? .....But with the term "work for a living" slowly becoming an old cliche...I don't know were all the money is coming from to fund a welfare system.....As far as the aged pension for the future.....perhaps 'they'll be coming to take us away.....ha ha'

Don't worry too much Big Val about the state of handouts/ pensions etc because with the World

financial crisis the Governments tax base revenue is going to be sorely reduced.

That together with the added burden of thousands of self funded retirees that have lost their savings and rising unemployed who will now be claiming a Govt pension, will mean less money in the (elastic) treasury coffers to go around the outstretched hands.

The World is about to change and the days of endless money and Govt handouts is just about over and that to will possibly mean all of us going back to managing on little or nothing just like the 'Good Old Days'.

Maybe then we will be able to reinstate some old time values such as marriage, fidelity, honesty, sharing etc etc.

Who knows this new World Financial situation may be good for us all, making us appreciate what we had even if it was a little.

Hi u3a, Your comments are really on the ball. I can just hear BigVal in a year or two saying, ''I hope they don't cut our pensions as much as the single parents''. But don't worry too much, they still have nearly 12 billion of our hard earned savings left. I know I am harping to the converted, but, I wonder if they have thought of selling Parliament House, in Canberra, to the Japanese in return for tearing up some of our debt. We could get rid of 1/2 billion debt & at the same time raise 1/2 billion cash which would pay for an increase in the pension of 20 cents a week for 1 year. All we would have to do is pay a rent of $10 million/annum for ever more.

Hi Innes

Dead right, maybe they could run the show for us anything would be better than this juvenile lot.

With their squandering of the 10.5 billion and blanket guarantee on banks they have effectively set our savings and monetary system back twenty years.

Oh well people wanted a change and that's what we have got.

In six months from now they will all be throwing eggs at Golden Boy.

I apologise for a mistake in my last post. It should have read (2nd last line)$100 million

Innes mate,

100 million our politicians would sell their kids for that.

Look we have sold the farm

Going gangbusters on the coal and iron ore

Destroyed the single desk for wheat ( thanks Golden Boy)

About to impose ridiculous carbon trading imposts and send industry overseas, increase our electricity costs etc etc.

Haven't fixed the Fuel costing

Haven't fixed Food costs

SO why don't we sell all the politicians both lots, the price is the buyer gets them and half their paltry 15% supa and gets them outta of hair.

Lets hand it over to the bureaucrats because they would do a better job.

Hi u3a, They didn't sell off all the farm. One area in particular was doing so well that they had to get 1 or 2 of the states to stop the water. As for the fuel; We have had a number of enquiries into the fuel prices & they have found quite conclusively that the fuel companies are working on rediculously low margins & not profiteering. I have a small mathematics problem. BP sells less fuel to-day than they did 10 years ago & their annual report, out to-day announces a profit of more than 10 times the profit of 10 years ago. I know I am too thick to understand where my maths went wrong. Can one of the bright sparks, on here, tell me, in simple english, how they pull off this little trick

What is it that you want BigVal? Equity? There never has been, nor ever will there be. Missed out on all the handouts? Tough!