Age Pension and Harmer Report which is not to be released til May

Oh well we have a lot of leaks about this report and some articles appearing in the papers.
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This is one I found interesting.
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[quote]Wealthy pensioners to lose out
February 27, 2009
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A MILLION pensioners stand to have their payments reduced to cover the cost of an increase to the pension paid to single people.
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The Federal Government will receive a report today from the senior public servant Jeff Harmer about the adequacy of the age pension. It is expected to say the system is poorly targeted because it pays too little to those most in need and too much to people with private income from superannuation or property.
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Senior officials from Treasury and the Department of Family and Community Services are believed to support tilting the balance in favour of poorer retirees by changing the taper rate, or the income threshold at which the age pension begins to decline.
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A change to the pension system would fit in with the Government's desire to clamp down on middle-class welfare.
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On January 1 it tightened eligibility for the baby bonus and family payments by introducing a $150,000 income test, a decision that affected 50,000 families.
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The Herald has learned significant savings could be made by lifting the taper rate from 40 cents to 50 cents, which means pensions would decline by 50 cents for each dollar earned over the qualifying threshold.
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This would take the rate back to the level of a decade ago, when it was reduced to appease pensioner lobby groups before the introduction of the GST.
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It would also reduce the stress on a budget already headed for significant deficit.
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About 1 million people, most of whom receive only a part pension, would be affected.
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They are likely to be comparatively wealthy and own their homes outright and have other sources of income.
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Welfare groups said they would support the change because it would mean the pension would be better targeted to help poorer people, those with caring responsibilities and those renting private accommodation.
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The director of the Welfare Rights Centre, Maree O'Halloran, said the system needed to be overhauled to make it equitable.
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"Unless the fundamental design of the system is considered it will be impossible to fairly address the adequacy of payments," Ms O'Halloran said.
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"A single person can get some of the pension and a range of other concessions when their income is about $770 a week. [b]Working families paying a mortgage and trying to get their kids through school would consider this amount a bit rich."[/b]
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The chief executive of National Seniors Australia, Michael O'Neill, said the first priority of the pension system needed to be "making sure the most vulnerable are looked after". "Any focus needs to be on them. As a consequence, the focus needs to be where the money is spent at the other end of the scale. In terms of the taper rate that might be one of the issues we have to deal with."
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[b]Although the Government has committed itself to increasing the pension in the budget in May it is also wary of condemning itself to years of high welfare bills due to the ageing population and the declining value of superannuation.[/b]
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[b]An increase of $30 a week for single pensions would cost the Government billions of dollars when it can least afford it.[/b]
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AA spokeswoman for the Minister for Family and Community Services, Jenny Macklin, said the Government remained [b]"committed to delivering long-term pension reform in the context of this year's budget"[/b].[/quote]
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/wealthy-pensioners-to-lose-out-20090226-8j99.html?page=-1
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Ok read that have you - well what do you think of it?
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There is the last stinger in the tail - Jenny Macklin says which means what? Reform of the assets for home ownership for one thing I suspect.
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Also we have that phrase - working families raising its ugly head again - Rudd speak - for you are too bloody old and useless so die you buggers - do you think?
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Forgetting of course that we all worked and paid our income taxes without any of the handouts that the younger ones who sneer at us expecting to get a bit better than a below poverty pittance whilst they think nothing of their welfare handouts of Tax Benefits and First Home Owners Grants and all the things not one of the Age Pensioners today got because they were not brought in when they were working to pay off a home and keep a family on a what most would consider to be a blooming low wage they wouldn't get out of bed for!
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Now we will not be able to access the Harmer report until after the May Budget so that means that we will have to put up with whatever is given and I suspect it will be a bitter pill for many and a bit of a kick in the teeth even for those singles who did struggle along with their spouses to pay off a home and some still are doing the same paying off a mortgage and during times when rates were up to 18% and we have all been through 3 Labor recessions and this is the fourth recession and again strangely enough under Labor.

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What on earth is that one side poll in aid of? Bag Labour?



Where is the absolutely will vote Labour again? I will as I believe our Prime Minister

Mr. Kevin Rudd is doing a great job.



Talk about bias..............:(

Phyl.

with all due respect to the comment about mr rudd doing a good job.

it does concern me that there does seem to be a low amount of proposals or detailed plans re the care and welfare of or for the elderly.

tonight he was asked by kerry obrian on abc about older peoples loses in their super.

it was in relation to comments by an anz economist who had said older people will have no hope in recovering from their losses.

he did not give a direct answer re the problem.

he spoke about the greed in the banking systems that led to the global problem.

the minister for ageing talks about reforms in aged care when issues come to light.

i guess we will have to wait for the may budget.

reform is needed in the aged pension.

i wish we had a champion of the aged in power who will make a difference.

we seem a forgotten demographic.

but we do vote do we not?

oll

Will you rethink your vote for Labor

Yes I will

No dont care

Never voted for them

Want a new party

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This is bias as it does not give a choice of voting FOR Labor--so at the moment I haven't voted--I do not like any of the Libs--I am a swinging voter--but Howard and his mob did Nothing for us and I am afraid at the moment I would NOT vote for the Libs as I can't stand any of them.

What on earth is that one side poll in aid of? Bag Labour?



Where is the absolutely will vote Labour again? I will as I believe our Prime Minister

Mr. Kevin Rudd is doing a great job.



Talk about bias..............:(

Phyl.





OK do read the choice!!!!





all you had to do is vote -No don't care................



Meaning I don't care what Rudd does because I am a Labor voter always no matter what they do or because your Dad always voted Labor or whatever reason.



Same thing.



"I don't care what he does I will still vote for Labor is just a tad too big for the field " The field being the number of characters assigned to the poll questions.



So not biased at all. Just you lacked comprehension.



After all some who did vote Labor may be considering whether or not they did the right thing - many are like that - not stuck in the mud.



Called swinging voters.

Phyl. - 04 March 2009 07:28 PM



What on earth is that one side poll in aid of? Bag Labour?



Where is the absolutely will vote Labour again? I will as I believe our Prime Minister

Mr. Kevin Rudd is doing a great job.



Talk about bias..............:(

Phyl.



OK do read the choice!!!!



all you had to do is vote -No don’t care................



Meaning I don’t care what Rudd does because I am a Labor voter always no matter what they do or because your Dad always voted Labor or whatever reason.



Same thing.



“I don’t care what he does I will still vote for Labor is just a tad too big for the field “ The field being the number of characters assigned to the poll questions.



So not biased at all. Just you lacked comprehension.



After all some who did vote Labor may be considering whether or not they did the right thing - many are like that - not stuck in the mud.



Called swinging voters.

Posted: 05 March 2009 09:50 AM

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Well I DO care and it gave NO choice at all--it was either I will or I won't --or I don't care--

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Will you rethink your vote for Labor

Yes I will

No dont care

Never voted for them

Want a new party

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This is bias as it does not give a choice of voting FOR Labor--so at the moment I haven't voted--I do not like any of the Libs--I am a swinging voter--but Howard and his mob did Nothing for us and I am afraid at the moment I would NOT vote for the Libs as I can't stand any of them.

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Will you rethink your vote for Labor? [color=red]

Means read the first post and then vote accordingly - the article has some serious implications for the age pension.[/color]

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Yes I will think about my vote and maybe change it.

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No I don't care because I always vote labour whatever they do to me and mine etc etc

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Never voted for them - self explanatory.

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Want a new party - well this forum is full of posts saying just that and lamenting the demise of Pauline Hansen and her One Nation.

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And apart from all that it is read the article and then vote because it is becoming obvious that the reform of age pension may not be what we all want at all.

Ok Val--I voted that I will re think--but I always do that any way never accept anything with out question--I just found the poll very black and white. I guess you have not a lot of choice with polls



--but so far I am a lot happier with Rudd that than any of those Libs we had--but time will tell

I am with you Jane.

Phyl.

From my own observation, I would suggest that the poll questions would be formed after careful study of letters to Eds, blogs and talkback.

So it would seem to me that there have been rumblings of dissatisfaction among the populace, in particular from swinging voters.

Why all the discussion about the Poll? Like 'em or hate 'em, we have to live with what we've got. The main issue here is the Harmer Report, which is not to be released until May? Does that mean that Harmer and his team will continue to be paid until May? Has the report already been handed over (was due to be tabled at the end of February)? We can guess why the committee was not required to give their recommendations, which would surely have caused a furore amongst the older generation when their real situation was revealed, and what it would take to fix it. This was just another futile and expensive exercise aimed at fobbing us off.



With the indiscriminate handing out of money to all and sundry we will soon be joining the third world countries, and no matter how much extra the pensioners are given, soaring inflation will make it worthless. There is absolutely nothing to show for the billions given away before Christmas. We only had money in the "bank" because the libs put it there. Now everyone thinks Rudd is wonderful because he's giving it away. I haven't noticed any discussion in Parliament about reigning in their own spending, not reviewing the cost to US for ex-politicians and their exorbitant superannuation benefits, travel, staff etc. Most politicians are self-serving, hypocritical, two-faced mongrels. And if you think they give a damn about anyone else you are sadly mistaken.



When the crunch comes and people are losing their jobs or reduced to working part-time (if they are lucky), the politicians will still be picking up their salary and taking advantage of all the perks that come with the job. Who approved all these perks - they did!!!!!

I agree with you in most of that statement Pommy--



except this part >>> We only had money in the “bank” because the libs put it there. Now everyone



Howard sold off all the furniture--such as Telstra thats why he had the money--he gave us NOTHING--except the GST (after promising he would NEVER do it) and it was then he should ave given pensioners at least 10% rise instead of the lousy hand out he gave.



Yes we will end up a 3rd world country as most of what we used to produce here has now gone off shore--and when they get it all they will call the shots--and tell us to like it or lump it.

I didn't bother commenting on the article, Pommy, because this has become like Groundhog Day to me.



"The Libs didn't do anything" is one cry.

I've posted [b]at least twice what the Libs did [/b]for not just Pensioners, but for Aged Care.





The other cry.... What Kevin Rudd has done is ok(for pensioners).



Let me yet again refresh memories.

There was NOTHING in the budget last year for pensioners....NOTHING.

It was only when pensioners decided they had to debase themselves by going to current affairs programs and standing around half naked wherever they were that day, can't remember.

Also at the time, the reality of this economic downturn had started to sink in to Rudd and Swan, so they figure they could make themselves look good by giving pensioners a handout....and hopefully rack up a few more sales in retail, because November had been the lowest in about 3 years.

BINGO!

St Kev to the rescue.



I've posted all this on aother occasions, and funnily enough it's just ignored, or I'm ticked off for being biased.



What I have posted above IS FACT, not bias.





Now dear people, Rudd and Swan are scared out of their wits with what is happening, as BigVal's comments above show.

Why has this so called report been dragging out for so long.

While it may not have been politically smart of Tony Abbott to say we can't afford an increase in pensions...he might have hit the nail on the head.



Why do you think Rudd is running around talking of a economic cyclone? The panic is very obvious.



My view is that it is to prepare us for bad news not only for pensioners, but the figures which will show the humungus debts that will be racked up by this lot .



Pommy's right....they were only able to throw money at the masses because the Libs left some in the kitty.



They now have got no idea, other than to now start robbing from the middle class or the wealthy.



Look at the money being thrown to the States in this so called stimulus package.

The States have all gone broke under Labor.

Where has the largesse from the evil GST gone?



Even if there is an increase in pensions, does anyone really believe it will be enough in the face of what is happening?

The stimulus package will be a drop in the ocean, especially because much of it is misdirected.



In the meantime, gas, electricity and all other necessities will continue to rise (let's not forget our councils whacking on their increases for "green" energy.)



What the heck has Rudd done about grocery prices? How much has anyone saved with Grocery Watch.



Fuel Watch..another dud from Rudd.



Petrol came down for a while, only because of what was happening overseas.







Taxes will have to go up...less money for Rudd's "working families"...means more job losses, more people unable to pay mortgages.....more people on Social Services.

Fewer people employed in small business....more small businesses going under.



Pensioners cannot expect to have their wishes in isolation from the rest of what is happening.





Pensioners need a $100 per week increase to stay above water and that, my friends is a pipe dream .



I don't believe that all politicians of any part are tarred with the same brush, as Pommy suggests, but I would be feeling a lot better about the future of this nation, not just pensioners, if not so many of the swinging voters had fallen for spin.

What really turned me --and many others--against Howard and his mob and was the very last straw was the work relations--but he was an arrogant little "----" and was becoming even more so--and as far as having the likes of that Christophe Pyne in an aged care portfolio well that was the living end--he (C Pyne ) even stated he "hated talking old people"--he for one was far too young to hold that--and he has obviously NOT experienced any suffering to himself or some he loves/loved he had NO compassion whats so ever.

Oh yes and let's not forget.



[u]January 20, 2009.[/u]



[b]KEVIN Rudd has issued an unprecedented call to Australia's 10 million workers to put pay rise claims on hold to help the nation weather the global financial meltdown. [/b]



http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,28323,24936074-14327,00.html





[u]January 21, 2009.[/u]



[size=4]THE Prime Minister has secretly paid two senior advisers - including his "boy wonder" chief of staff, Alister Jordan - special top-up payments to bolster their $200,000-plus incomes.[/size]



http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24940410-5001021,00.html

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